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How close it Trump to being a modern-day Hitler?

How close is Trump to being Hitler?

  • 0% - not in any way shape or form

    Votes: 8 34.8%
  • 20% - some similarities, but get real, every politician has to be a populist...

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • 40% - enough similarities to make me uncomfortable but still think he is just a performer

    Votes: 4 17.4%
  • 60% - wow, he is close enough to be a little scary, but not enough to worry about really, is it? Uh.

    Votes: 5 21.7%
  • 80% - closest thing to Hitler since Hitler. Something needs to be done.

    Votes: 5 21.7%
  • 100% - He is trying to become the next Hitler and likely has a hidden agenda. Needs to be stopped.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    23
so as someone who is inclined to think the whole Hitler thing is a bit over the top hysterical but i don't live there so i'm not privy to a lot of what goes on .... can anyone give me a specific timeline of events / timeframe for when we'll know whether Trump is actually morphing into some kind of dictatorial Adolf and what structural changes he would make to achieve such a purpose ??

And don't come at me with the usual ****, clearly Trump is of defective moral character, plays to people's fears etc. etc. I'm not interested, he's a tossbag. This is a genuine question, i am not interested in endless articles of what "may" happen or what Trump "could" do. Convince me of exactly what he would do if he gets in that you're worried about in terms of him being a real Hitleresque figure and what changes he could make realistically and when exactly. Be specific ??

I won't respond to attacks or bs.

You already know what he's capable of, he incited an attack on our Capitol. That's some Hitler **** right there. But since you're genuinely interested, among the many ways The Rapist could assume dictatorial power by restricting rights there is the way Hitler did it:


Reichstag FireIn February 1933, the Reichstag, Germany's parliament building, was set on fire. Hitler used this as an excuse to pass the Reichstag Fire Decree, which severely restricted the rights of German citizens.
 
Except that Trump stopped the Russian invasions of Ukraine that happened under both the President preceding him and the President following him. Also, Trump strengthened NATO by using threats to get them to up their military expenditures. The Trump era was the most peaceful era in recent history.

The Rapist was going to let Putin walk into Ukraine but he lost the election.
 
Saw an article today about how the washington post and new york journal both made dummy accounts on X and didn't put anything political as an interest at all. They found that their new accounts with no political leanings started getting info suggested to them that was pro trump/anti Harris. The algorithm apparently just defaults to show pro trump propaganda.

trump has truth social. The biggest news media (most watched) in the country is Fox News. X is the biggest social media platform. X is owned by Musk. Musk is a trumper. Newspaper owners are scared to endorse a candidate for fear of retaliation by trump if he were to win this election. Controlling information is well underway.
 
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If anyone wants a very long, thorough breakdown here is one by a historian.


Not sure how you could say this person is being biased or unfair in their assessment.
 
If anyone wants a very long, thorough breakdown here is one by a historian.


Not sure how you could say this person is being biased or unfair in their assessment.
Great read.
@Douchebag K should give it a read

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You already know what he's capable of, he incited an attack on our Capitol. That's some Hitler **** right there. But since you're genuinely interested, among the many ways The Rapist could assume dictatorial power by restricting rights there is the way Hitler did it:



Reichstag FireIn February 1933, the Reichstag, Germany's parliament building, was set on fire. Hitler used this as an excuse to pass the Reichstag Fire Decree, which severely restricted the rights of German citizens.

thank you That's the kind of thing i was wondering about
 
Great read.
@Douchebag K should give it a read

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none of that is anything new, a lot of that i agree with but there's certainly some of it i still think is speculative or misrepresentative and i don't want to get into that. What i was looking for was what Str8line mentioned. Specific decrees and acts that could be passed to specifically change the political landscape, the use of events to limit people's freedom of speech, political rights etc.

Anyway i'm done with this stuff, hopefully none of the darkest projections come true. Good luck to all for the next few weeks, fingers crossed for peace & order in the next few weeks. Except Thriller. That **** can go choke on a bag of dicks and get trampled in a stampede.
 
none of that is anything new, a lot of that i agree with but there's certainly some of it i still think is speculative or misrepresentative and i don't want to get into that. What i was looking for was what Str8line mentioned. Specific decrees and acts that could be passed to specifically change the political landscape, the use of events to limit people's freedom of speech, political rights etc.

Anyway i'm done with this stuff, hopefully none of the darkest projections come true. Good luck to all for the next few weeks, fingers crossed for peace & order in the next few weeks. Except Thriller. That **** can go choke on a bag of dicks and get trampled in a stampede.

Actually that article discussed what str8line told you but in more detail. You must have missed it. It talked about HOW Hitler and Mussolini took power (info it seemed like you wanted) to commit their atrocities. When their people were violent against their opposition they looked the other way or praised them (kind of like when trump supporters attacked the capitol and trump did nothing to stop them, then praised them and said he would pardon them. Letting them know that it's ok for them to violently attack trumps opposition). How others in power thought they could use Hitler and Mussolini to get things done that they wanted politically (like say making abortion illegal) thinking that they could simply get rid of Hitler and Mussolini later but found out they couldn't.
Basically Hitler and Mussolini said they would do horrible things. People in power thought it was a bunch of bluster and bravado and wouldn't amount to much. They were wrong. (Just like I think all the stuff trump says and does won't amount to much. Hope I'm not wrong too) Anyway it's a great read. Had lots of info i have never heard before (lots of things about trump trying to shut down free press that I was unaware of). It's a really long article but very good. Lots of details and explanations.


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Well, in style and what they look to draw out of people, Trump is remindful.


But one can begin and end with Hitler committed genocide and comparing Trump is absurd, and surely always will be. When suggestions comparing the two first appeared, at least in his political career, that was the predominant reaction, and still is for most.

Then there are the style comparisons, as this Daily Show X post went for:


View: https://x.com/TheDailyShow/status/1851438234552742324


I’ve always thought Trump just “naturally” possessed the skill set of a demagogue. He had an instinct for the mood of the disaffected, politically alienated, knew how to play on anger. On hate. On creating “the other”. Others have suggested otherwise: that he was more familiar with Hitler’s writings than many were aware of, and actually used Hitler’s propoganda lessons from a book by Hitler: My New Order. More on that in a second. I was reminded of that belief by a recent piece by Anne Applebaum of the Atlantic(no paywall):

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-authoritarian-rhetoric-hitler-mussolini/680296/?gift=jya-z5lTntURuSFdyDPB2XC-9P7L2Qu-W7Ns7WWcy1o&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

“These phrases have not been put on posters and banners at random in the final weeks of an American election season. With less than three weeks left to go, most candidates would be fighting for the middle ground, for the swing voters. Trump is doing the exact opposite. Why? There can be only one answer: because he and his campaign team believe that by using the tactics of the 1930s, they can win. The deliberate dehumanization of whole groups of people; the references to police, to violence, to the “bloodbath” that Trump has said will unfold if he doesn’t win; the cultivation of hatred not only against immigrants but also against political opponents—none of this has been used successfully in modern American politics.

But neither has this rhetoric been tried in modern American politics. Several generations of American politicians have assumed that American voters, most of whom learned to pledge allegiance to the flag in school, grew up with the rule of law, and have never experienced occupation or invasion, would be resistant to this kind of language and imagery. Trump is gambling—knowingly and cynically—that we are not”.
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The fact that Trump kept a book by Hitler by his bedside may have first been revealed in a 1990 Vanity Fair story describing the divorce from Ivana:

https://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner

“Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler’s speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist.

Did your cousin John give you the Hitler speeches?” I asked Trump.

Trump hesitated. “Who told you that?”

“I don’t remember,” I said.

“Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he’s a Jew.” (“I did give him a book about Hitler,” Marty Davis said. “But it was My New Order, Hitler’s speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I’m not Jewish.”)

Later, Trump returned to this subject. “If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them.”

Is Ivana trying to convince her friends and lawyer that Trump is a crypto-Nazi? Trump is no reader or history buff. Perhaps his possession of Hitler’s speeches merely indicates an interest in Hitler’s genius at propaganda. The Führer often described his defeats at Stalingrad and in North Africa as great victories”.
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The author of this 2015 Alternet piece played with the idea of Trump learning from My New Order:

https://www.alternet.org/2015/12/do...itler-how-gop-leader-following-fuhrers-recipe

“Nobody can know what Trump reads or does not read—or if he even reads. But it appears that one way or another, much of the content in My New Order about how Hitler says propaganda works, and how he structures his speaking style, and how Hitler targets the lowest-common denominator as his intended audience, has seeped into Trump: the way he speaks, argues, rages and responds in public. This goes beyond what has been reported in the New York Times, which analyzed 95,000 words from five months of speeches and concluded that Trump shares a style with the 20th century's biggest demagogues.

Looks like Trump agrees with Hitler’s tenets. Trump’s “I love the uneducated” comes to mind:

  • “The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses’ attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision.”
  • “All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be.”
  • “The more modest its intellectual ballast, the more exclusively it takes into consideration the emotions of the masses, the more effective it will be. And this is the best proof of the soundness or unsoundness of a propaganda campaign, and not success pleasing a few scholars or young aesthetes.”
  • "Once understood how necessary it is for propaganda to be adjusted to the broad mass, the following rule results: It is a mistake to make propaganda many-sided, like scientific instruction, for instance.”
  • “In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.”
  • “The function of propaganda is, for example, not to weigh and ponder the rights of different people, but exclusively to emphasize the one right which it has set out to argue for. Its task is not to make an objective study of the truth… its task is to serve our own right, always and unflinchingly.”

Also of interest in comparing the style of Hitler and Trump is chapter 2, described here, from the 2019 book, “When at Times the Mob is Swayed: A Citizen’s Guide to Defending the Republic”:

https://www.commondreams.org/views/...ways-trump-copying-hitlers-early-rhetoric-and

“A new book by one of the nation's foremost civil liberties lawyers powerfully describes how America's constitutional checks and balances are being pushed to the brink by a president who is consciously following Adolf Hitler's extremist propaganda and policy template from the early 1930s--when the Nazis took power in Germany.

In When at Times the Mob Is Swayed: A Citizen's Guide to Defending Our Republic, Burt Neuborne mostly focuses on how America's constitutional foundation in 2019--an unrepresentative Congress, the Electoral College and a right-wing Supreme Court majority--is not positioned to withstand Trump's extreme polarization and GOP power grabs. However, its second chapter, "Why the Sudden Concern About Fixing the Brakes?," extensively details Trump's mimicry of Hitler's pre-war rhetoric and strategies”.
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It needs to be said none of the above constitutes proof Trump consciously studied the speeches and propoganda of Hitler. That he read the entirety of My New Order. He’s not known as a reader.

That he actually thought “worked for Adolph, I can pull this off”.

But, I tend to agree with Anne Applebaum in that first link, and in general, I at least can appreciate the nature of the comparisons, once you get past the usual knee jerk reaction “NO”, stemming from the Holocaust. Of course there’s no comparing that. But there is a strong resemblance to how one seizes power, how one controls people. He talks his reality into existence, and sticks to the lies through everything. He knows his propaganda, be it a natural “gift” or learned.

“In using this language, Trump knows exactly what he is doing. He understands which era and what kind of politics this language evokes. “I haven’t read Mein Kampf,” he declared, unprovoked, during one rally—an admission that he knows what Hitler’s manifesto contains, whether or not he has actually read it. “If you don’t use certain rhetoric,” he told an interviewer, “if you don’t use certain words, and maybe they’re not very nice words, nothing will happen.”
 
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This video is propaganda made for morons. Trump was President for four years and was not an authoritarian. He lost court decision constantly and abided by the court's decisions. Saying nice things about an authoritarian does not make a leader authoritarian. Being authoritarian is what makes a leader authoritarian, and these idiotic videos have to gloss over actual history because there isn't any to support the idea that Trump is an authoritarian. Without the authoritarianism, the accusation of fascist becomes laughable.
 
This video is propaganda made for morons. Trump was President for four years and was not an authoritarian. He lost court decision constantly and abided by the court's decisions. Saying nice things about an authoritarian does not make a leader authoritarian. Being authoritarian is what makes a leader authoritarian, and these idiotic videos have to gloss over actual history because there isn't any to support the idea that Trump is an authoritarian. Without the authoritarianism, the accusation of fascist becomes laughable.
I'm as confused by this as Trump is trying to figure out, and guessing wrong, which side of the Bible goes up.
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Not a fascist
Correct. Not fascist, and not authoritarian. If that was authoritarian or fascist then every country on Earth is fascist and authoritarian. No country protects the freedom of speech as aggressively as the United States. While Trump was President, people could criticize the President all they wanted. Many millions were made on book deals for churning out material critical of Trump. Try going to North Korea and getting a North Korean publisher to publish your book critical of Kim.
 
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