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I know this is just your board, but with Queen do you think he is able to jump top 7-10ish by year end? He seems pretty low on some of the more prominent draft boards and I'm guessing some of that is info circulating back to folks from NBA scouts/personnel. I think the NBA is still skeptical or slow to come around on certain player types and I think Queen might end up being the guy drafted in the mid first that is obviously good and teams couldn't fit him in their player archetype/bucket.
Vaccine is super low on him. In the last Game Theory Pod I listened to he had Queen at like 37 and said he couldn't imagine him higher than the 20's. The main point was he hates his defense and doesn't think you can play a center in the NBA that doesn't defend.
I think in general him being mocked lower than his production would suggest is due to fit concerns in the NBA. I think if he starts hitting 3's then that question goes away.
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Derik Queen will be 20 in three weeks. Ace Bailey for example just turned 18 in August. That's a pretty significant difference. FWIW, I don't take much away from Queen for being one of the older freshmen (regardless of age, he is still just in his second month of college basketball and dominating), but i do give a guy like Bailey (Flagg too) a bit of a pass for being as young as they are. As a 6'9" athlete with a pure stroke as his strengths, and with weaknesses such as inconsistency, inefficiency, taking too many hard shots, turnovers, etc - those are things that come with age and experience. you can't teach the height, the athleticism and it can be tough to teach the pure stroke, but with experience those other things can be greatly improved.
I think it's pretty possible. I think outside of the top 3 everything is pretty fluid.
I get what he's getting at, but Sengun exist and he's on a top 5 defense. Queen's been an overall good defender at the college level. I think sometimes people just overthink these players who dont look physically impressive
Also Sam's a moron who continues to rank Kon highly
But that's ok. I get some people dont like to make big jumps from their pre-season rankings.
I think the Kon people just need to admit they got duped.
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I watched a couple of games of Kasparas Jakusionis and really liked him. His playing style and confidence gives flashes of (a much taller) Chris Paul. Also, he looks like a player with a very high floor: if the Jazz draft him he is guaranteed to be a solid PG for them for years. At the very least he already looks like a much better PG than Collier. I am just not sure that Kasparas has as much of the franchise player potential as other players in the draft.
I would love the Jazz drafting him with the MN pick, while using our own for somebody else with the higher ceiling. I do not know if it is very realistic, though. The thing that may help the Jazz is that many other struggling teams already have someone at the PG position (Portland, Detroit, Charlotte, Indiana, Philadelphia, Sacramento) and may choose going for somebody else.
I would love the Jazz drafting him with the MN pick, while using our own for somebody else with the higher ceiling. I do not know if it is very realistic, though. The thing that may help the Jazz is that many other struggling teams already have someone at the PG position (Portland, Detroit, Charlotte, Indiana, Philadelphia, Sacramento) and may choose going for somebody else.
He might be. They're close. Toppin looks a bit more polished and his numbers are a bit better at this stage, but that might not mean anything longer term.
I think the top of the draft for me is still like this...
Flagg
Harper
Bailey
Demin
Johnson
Edgecombe
Kasparas
Traore
...Then it gets fuzzy for me. There are guys with things I like, but they have question marks.
Khaman Maluach is worth drafting as a development project, but it would need to be in the 2nd half of the 1st round. His lack of assists and steals are frightening.
Shooters like Knueppel, McNeeley, and Riley look like nice depth pieces.
If Collin Murray-Boyles can shoot, he becomes a very valuable player. Same would be said for Adou Thiero, but in his case he'd have a hard time getting on the floor if he doesn't shoot.
Overall, I think it's a pretty strong class for guards, with guys like Boogie Fland, Ian Jackson, Ben Saraf, Labaron Philon, Drake Powell, Josan Sanon, even Dink Pate, offering value all throughout the 1st round.
Flagg
Harper
Bailey
Demin
Johnson
Edgecombe
Kasparas
Traore
...Then it gets fuzzy for me. There are guys with things I like, but they have question marks.
Khaman Maluach is worth drafting as a development project, but it would need to be in the 2nd half of the 1st round. His lack of assists and steals are frightening.
Shooters like Knueppel, McNeeley, and Riley look like nice depth pieces.
If Collin Murray-Boyles can shoot, he becomes a very valuable player. Same would be said for Adou Thiero, but in his case he'd have a hard time getting on the floor if he doesn't shoot.
Overall, I think it's a pretty strong class for guards, with guys like Boogie Fland, Ian Jackson, Ben Saraf, Labaron Philon, Drake Powell, Josan Sanon, even Dink Pate, offering value all throughout the 1st round.
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I think Drake Powell is underexposed at UNC. He's getting limited minutes and even more limited touches. If he was one of the main guys at another program, I think more people would be talking about him. He can beat guys and get to the rim more than he's shown so far, and he's a solid defender. I would target him probably in the late teens.
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Any guesses on VJ's vert? He might no have consistent production, but he consistently makes highlight plays. Wow!
View: https://youtu.be/yMgt_-YDmmo?si=LNDHzyKyb6MFZ3ix
View: https://youtu.be/yMgt_-YDmmo?si=LNDHzyKyb6MFZ3ix
I like what I see when Powell is doing stuff, but it's just too infrequent for me to get excited about it.
What does CMB do better than Thomas Sorber?
CMB just doesnt have to shoot it, he has to shoot it really well and with good frequency to really be a NBA player.
Sorber has a lot of the same skill set but he's bigger. He has Wendell Carter type size and game.
Sorber vs CMB advanced stats so far.
Terrible offensive prospect but a great athlete. If he was like a legit 6'5 it'd be a bit more tempting to put him top 5, but he isnt.
Just hard to really project his defense having a high enough ceiling with his frame/size to protect against the risk of him being a negative offensively. I think he'd be a great late lottery pick, but as a top 10 it's concerning.
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Georgetown Schedule vs South Carolina Schedule:
Georgetown: Lehigh, Fairfield, Notre Dame, Mount St. Mary's, ST. Francis, Wagner, University at Albany, UMBC, West Virginia
South Carolina: North Florida, ST. Carolina St., Towson, Indiana, Mercer, Xavier, Virginia Tech, Boston College, East Carolina
Sorber very well might be a much better prospect than CMB, but let's at least wait until they get maybe half way through the conference play before comparing advanced stats.
CMB just doesnt have the size to be a good NBA player and Sorber does. I feel extremely comfortable putting Sorber ahead of CMB for the rest of the season. CMB might be worth a flier with the Cavs pick, but I wouldnt consider him in the early 20's.
I think CMB was an interesting prospect coming in, but he really had to have a massive leap to be a 1st round prospect and he just hasnt had that leap.