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idiot said:
Playoffs have nothing to do with draft picks. Anybody could have cheered for the Cavs since their playoff fate has nothing to do with draft order.
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I tried to explain that to people who were angry about people here cheering for the Wolves during last year's playoffs.

Didn't go very well, but I tried.
 
#1 - I like that this trade gives me another team to root against. . . I love owning the picks of other teams. Once they stop tanking and actually start competing, they’ll still have years and years worth of other teams picks.

#2 - assuming the Cavs keep Mitchell and are solid for the next 3 years, two of those picks are basically worthless. Hopefully the Suns are garbage in 2030, but I’m fine with them taking a shot like this.

#3 - now that a swap with the Cleveland pick is basically off the table, I think the Jazz should try to get the rest of the Lakers ‘27 protections gone if they can. Lakers don’t have a ton of assets to upgrade their roster, but that would be a big one for Utah to acquire.
 
Sounds like the Suns are desperate to get off of Nurkic' salary.

Now that they have some first round picks to offer...

Clarkson and Eubanks for Nurkic plus the 2028 Suns first or the 2029 pick we just sent saves buckets of money. That pick is the best one of the 3 they just got.

It likely helps the Suns compete against the wolves as well. Wouldn't that be silly...
 
Also, assuming the Jazz bring over Prodica next year (which I think is likely) there’s NO way they would want to roster 4 more rookies next season.
 
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jazznik said:
Another interesting part of this trade is that the Jazz keeps increasing the number of teams who could give the team a very high pick several years from now. Now it is up to 4 teams: the Jazz, Cavs, Wolves, and Suns. Each of them are unlikely to be really bad at that time and net a high pick, but out of 4 teams it is quite possible that at least one will be really bad and/or lucky with lottery balls.
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Plus LA. That 2027 pick could be incredible if they avoid winning the lottery. LeBron should be done, AD might be on his last ankles, they have zero assets and a mediocre supporting cast. Going to be a very fun pick watch thread.
 
idiot said:
Playoffs have nothing to do with draft picks. Anybody could have cheered for the Cavs since their playoff fate has nothing to do with draft order.
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It depends on your level of pettiness. If you’re at Kendrick Lamar levels, for example, you’d actively root against the Cavs and hope for them to be blown out in a 4-0 sweep round one such that Mitchell starts leaking **** to the press blaming Mobley and it creates drama and Mitchell demands a trade.

I’m with Kendrick.
 
Coach Ellis said:
#1 - I like that this trade gives me another team to root against. . . I love owning the picks of other teams. Once they stop tanking and actually start competing, they’ll still have years and years worth of other teams picks.

#2 - assuming the Cavs keep Mitchell and are solid for the next 3 years, two of those picks are basically worthless. Hopefully the Suns are garbage in 2030, but I’m fine with them taking a shot like this.

#3 - now that a swap with the Cleveland pick is basically off the table, I think the Jazz should try to get the rest of the Lakers ‘27 protections gone if they can. Lakers don’t have a ton of assets to upgrade their roster, but that would be a big one for Utah to acquire.
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With #1, I think we gotta root for the Suns to be good for the next 3-4 years, can't have the wheels come off too fast or they might cash out Booker too soon and get good value and start a soft rebuild. We need to keep them kicking the can down the road chasing dreams for a while
 
Jaanipoeg said:
With #1, I think we gotta root for the Suns to be good for the next 3-4 years, can't have the wheels come off too fast or they might cash out Booker too soon and get good value and start a soft rebuild. We need to keep them kicking the can down the road chasing dreams for a while
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I agree. But when 2030 rolls around, it’s going to be so much fun rooting against them.
 
Jingled said:
We basically gave them 3 picks that will most likely be in the 20's. Getting an unprotected first that far out from them is a good gamble as it could turn out to be a top 10 or possibly top 5 pick, and even if it turns out to be a mediocre pick we're not out much.
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Way better to burn those picks ourselves on folks like Tony Bradley, Doke, etc. Our recent draft record in the late 20s are largely underwhelming to say the least.
 
Think it's the right move. Just funny how our Cavs-Minny picks were gold value 3 years ago and how they failed fast. But if we are realistic Cavs pick have no value for the next 3 years and Minny not much, unless they got injuries or ANT request a trade.
 
FrenchJazzFa said:
Think it's the right move. Just funny how our Cavs-Minny picks were gold value 3 years ago and how they failed fast. But if we are realistic Cavs pick have no value for the next 3 years and Minny not much, unless they got injuries or ANT request a trade.
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What are you talking about? You watch more wolves games than 80% of us combined. You should know better.

The wolves have a better than 20% chance of falling in to the lottery THIS YEAR! They are in a tight race the middle of the pack. They are a half game out of the 11th spot and Sacramento is cooking.

Gobert is showing signs of aging and he is paid redonculous money 4 more years. He will be 36 when he comes off that extension. He will be 34 when the next pick comes around.

Plenty of room for doubt in the wolves future.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
What are you talking about? You watch more wolves games than 80% of us combined. You should know better.

The wolves have a better than 20% chance of falling in to the lottery THIS YEAR! They are in a tight race the middle of the pack. They are a half game out of the 11th spot and Sacramento is cooking.

Gobert is showing signs of aging and he is paid redonculous money 4 more years. He will be 36 when he comes off that extension. He will be 34 when the next pick comes arou
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The Jazz Wonderbra said:
What are you talking about? You watch more wolves games than 80% of us combined. You should know better.

The wolves have a better than 20% chance of falling in to the lottery THIS YEAR! They are in a tight race the middle of the pack. They are a half game out of the 11th spot and Sacramento is cooking.

Gobert is showing signs of aging and he is paid redonculous money 4 more years. He will be 36 when he comes off that extension. He will be 34 when the next pick comes around.

Plenty of room for doubt in the wolves future.
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Planning of what will happen this year or on the next 3 years is like betting on Memecoins Trump....quite hazardous on my opinion.

As you say i watch a lot of Minny game and i agree with you, this year could turn bad for them. For me will depend on what they do at trade deadline. But overall they have solid assets for the future if they manage to keep ANT, NAZ, Jaden, DDV. 19 years old Dilligham is also very promising.

I agree with you on the fact that resigning Rudy at this price is a huge mistake and may help the Jazz. But they can also trade him next summer.
Wait and see.
 
Also keep in mind a late first is actually less valuable than an early second... Cuz there isn't much difference in the level of talent being available but much cheaper contract and way more flexibility in negotiation with the players we draft as second rounders compared to those taken in the first round.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
The Suns have given away all their draft assets to acquire Kevin Durant and Brad Beal (whom they'll now need to attach a pick to in order to move). KD will be retired. If PHX gets Butler, he'll be retired as well. So unless PHX can sign star free agents, they'll be bad around that time.
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The point was is the Suns pick the most valuable of all the picks in all the years. And it clearly isn't.

There are many other teams that are asset-poor and strapped to aging stars that clearly won't be helping the team in 2030-2031. There are teams like the Wiz that have been in the lottery pretty much 40 years straight. Grading teams right now for the 2030-2031 season most would probably pick the Suns in the bottom-10. But that's all.

In six years anything can happen. They might trade Booker a year from now for good picks in 2028 or whatever.

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The Lakers pick was supposed to be almost as fantastically valued as this one. It's mid, and always was. Mid is still a lot better than what the Jazz traded away in this deal.

But the Cavs/Minny picks were close to mid immediately after the trades, and their value only plummeted.
 
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