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Good decision by BYU to foul when up 3 there. Every coach should do that every time.
Especially when you are at home and are the better free throw shooting team.
 
Catchings 8-8, 4-4 and 3-3 from the line for 23 points
 
framer said:
Being in the ROC for basketball is my daughter's very favorite thing. It is crazy that it is going to get even more insane next year.
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Ya BYU has a pretty incredible home record over the last few decades. That place is consistently crazy.
 
I have VJ as an athletic, 2-way combo guard. He’ll probably measure around 6’3”. He’s mostly an off-ball, 2nd-side player. He’s making his jumpers now, but these are mostly open, spot-up looks with his feet set that someone else creates for him. He’s also finishing fairly well at the rim if he has space to maneuver. I wish he had a more advanced handle and timing so he could really use his athleticism to get by defenders better. He doesn’t actually show much of a first step at the moment. This is where he has room to improve.

Role-wise, he’ll be similar to Keyonte, imo, but’s fine to have multiple versatile guards on the floor.

In terms of positional value, I’d prefer a primary initiator or full-sized wing. I like Tre Johnson as a bigger and more advanced offensive player, but I’m okay with Edgecombe outside the top 5.
 
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Sorry for another question asked out of ignorance (of reading about these players much more than directly watching):

Can someone give me a good, detailed rundown of where you think Edgecombe falls on the continuum of athletic, if a bit undersized, two-guards between Dwyane Wade and Lonnie Walker. I take it that Edgecombe has a better motor/defense than Walker, but what else do you see that would help place him on this continuum?
 
VJ definitely has room to improve with his ball handling, but I think his ball skill issues may be overstated or maybe they have improved drastically since the beginning of the year. He's looked pretty good in PnR and driving to the hoop....I think his main issue is that he doesn't have a ton of craft around the hoop so he can struggle against these "pack the paint" style college defenses. Not much of a mid range game, not a foul merchant, not a lot of fancy footwork on his gathers. As of right now, I'd say he's definitely way closer to being an NBA ball handler than someone like Egor. Egor is hanging on for dear life trying to be a D1 level primary ball handler.
 
KqWIN said:
VJ definitely has room to improve with his ball handling, but I think his ball skill issues may be overstated or maybe they have improved drastically since the beginning of the year. He's looked pretty good in PnR and driving to the hoop....I think his main issue is that he doesn't have a ton of craft around the hoop so he can struggle against these "pack the paint" style college defenses. Not much of a mid range game, not a foul merchant, not a lot of fancy footwork on his gathers. As of right now, I'd say he's definitely way closer to being an NBA ball handler than someone like Egor. Egor is hanging on for dear life trying to be a D1 level primary ball handler.
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Jazz have to draft an elite ballhandler over 6 ft 6 inches if available
 
KqWIN said:
VJ definitely has room to improve with his ball handling, but I think his ball skill issues may be overstated or maybe they have improved drastically since the beginning of the year. He's looked pretty good in PnR and driving to the hoop....I think his main issue is that he doesn't have a ton of craft around the hoop so he can struggle against these "pack the paint" style college defenses. Not much of a mid range game, not a foul merchant, not a lot of fancy footwork on his gathers. As of right now, I'd say he's definitely way closer to being an NBA ball handler than someone like Egor. Egor is hanging on for dear life trying to be a D1 level primary ball handler.
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Not quite a fair comparison. Egor is the primary ballhandler and getting blitzed a lot. VJ is mostly playing off ball and his handle isn't getting challenged similarly. But Egor does really need to tighten up his handle (and has showed marked improvement the last few games.)
 
idiot said:
Sorry for another question asked out of ignorance (of reading about these players much more than directly watching):

Can someone give me a good, detailed rundown of where you think Edgecombe falls on the continuum of athletic, if a bit undersized, two-guards between Dwyane Wade and Lonnie Walker. I take it that Edgecombe has a better motor/defense than Walker, but what else do you see that would help place him on this continuum?
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I would say he's a notch above Donovan Mitchell in overall athletic ability, but while carrying much less mass.
 
idiot said:
Sorry for another question asked out of ignorance (of reading about these players much more than directly watching):

Can someone give me a good, detailed rundown of where you think Edgecombe falls on the continuum of athletic, if a bit undersized, two-guards between Dwyane Wade and Lonnie Walker. I take it that Edgecombe has a better motor/defense than Walker, but what else do you see that would help place him on this continuum?
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The guy who I first think of with his athleticism is Mitchell. VJ is a bit taller, but shorter arms. Mitchell is a lot faster/agile, but VJ is probably more vertical (and can jump off one foot). DWade is peak combo guard athleticism....I'd say VJ is the same level as Mitchell but has different advantages. Elite, but not all time great level.
 
JazzFever said:
Not quite a fair comparison. Egor is the primary ballhandler and getting blitzed a lot. VJ is mostly playing off ball and his handle isn't getting challenged similarly. But Egor does really need to tighten up his handle (and has showed marked improvement the last few games.)
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Meh, you can compare any two player's ball handling. I'm not comparing the results of their role, I'm looking at their actual skill level. Egor can barely dribble against one guy and that's why his coach doesn't trust him to even be in the game during some crucial moments.
 
idiot said:
Sorry for another question asked out of ignorance (of reading about these players much more than directly watching):

Can someone give me a good, detailed rundown of where you think Edgecombe falls on the continuum of athletic, if a bit undersized, two-guards between Dwyane Wade and Lonnie Walker. I take it that Edgecombe has a better motor/defense than Walker, but what else do you see that would help place him on this continuum?
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VJ is a high-level run-and-jump athlete. His defensive reactions are solid, and it helps him generate steals and blocks for his size. He isn't that exceptional at being shifty, changing directions, or using advanced timing. He doesn't come off as super twitchy. Maybe he'd be comparable as an athlete to Monta Ellis, though he's a bit bigger than Ellis. Another physical comp might be Josh Okogie, but let's see how he looks at the Combine. I'll bet VJ can put up 17/5//4 if he's featured enough.


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idiot said:
Sorry for another question asked out of ignorance (of reading about these players much more than directly watching):

Can someone give me a good, detailed rundown of where you think Edgecombe falls on the continuum of athletic, if a bit undersized, two-guards between Dwyane Wade and Lonnie Walker. I take it that Edgecombe has a better motor/defense than Walker, but what else do you see that would help place him on this continuum?
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Athletically he reminds me a bit of lillard
 
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