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framer
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The trade for Clarkson was pretty clutch.
The George Hill trade was really good to. Too bad he just played so amazingly he became unaffordable and subsequently hit a career wall way earlier than expected (so the Jazz kind of lucked out that he out priced them)
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Whenever talking about DL’s record, I always find it funny how drafting Gobert and Mitchell is some kind of afterthought and we agonize over things like Grayson Allen. DL got us to the red zone, but couldn’t finish the job. It wasn’t perfect but you can’t deny the fact that he hit two home runs (and a lot of other smaller moves) that got us in a good position. Players like Mitchell and Gobert don’t grow on trees.
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What is dont get with stojakovic is how he shoots 28% from 3 but 82% from FT. His shot looks good. He is a second round sleeper for me. I have to believe his shot comes around.
Ace's absolute ceiling is more like Jayson Tatum.
framer
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Half the fools on this board would have traded Kessler for peanuts even a few months ago. I think the problem DL ran into was trying to draft to fit Quinn's roster rigidity, especially those non- Rudy minutes. We forget how white knuckle things got when Rudy checked out.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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He wasn’t on first round radar. Every team passed on him.
I don't think he's a great shooter after watching him live a few times. He's good, but not a real shooter like his Dad.
He's pretty long and more athletic than you would think and if his shot is better than I'm giving him credit for could do something in the league. He's had a few really good games this year, so maybe that shows his potential, but he's had so few great games that I don't think he'll declare. I think he goes back to school.
jom2003
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Not Dallas though. They had a shot and took Luka first, who was one of the only few that justified being taken before Brunson. The point being we were drafting 21st and ended up taking a guy who's not the 21st best player in his class. And that **** matters, especially knowing DL burnt multiple FRPs just to acquire a staring PG and Brunson was right there. **** even get more ironic when Brunson was basically the one who ended the whole Rudy/DM/Quin era in 2022.
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Number 1 record in the NBA. Bunch of all stars. 6th man of the year and runner up.
That team was insanely fun and extremely good and there were some injuries in the playoffs that might have lowered our ceiling.
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Dallas passed on him too. Just didn't pass on him twice.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Actually it doesn’t matter. He was a good pick at 21 he’s been a starter and has always played a legitimate role wherever he’s been. Hes no scrub.
jom2003
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I'm sorry but to what zone? In case you aren't aware but since DL took over in 2013, 12 teams out of 15 have gotten to the WCF. Only three teams that couldn't make it are the Pelicans, Kings and...you guessed it. I mean, that's hell of a company don't you think? And y'all act like what DL did to this team was some kinda accomplishments. Then there are at least 20 other GMs that deserve more praises.
And I thought we are over on this Donovan/Rudy debate? I think the ultimare conclusion is, if Donovan and Rudy were really some kinda generational talents that "don't grow on trees", you'd expect them to at least to take us the WCF, like what other 12 Western teams have done in the last 10 yrs or so, right?
I mean Rudy did it for the Wolves just last year and I like Donovan's chance this year with the cavs this year. It's either they just weren't as good as we thought they were, which massively undermined DL's credit for drafting them in the place, or it was simply a massive failure on the management part for not building a competant team around them. Like we had prime Rudy for 7+ seasons but couldn't do it, then only to have him go and achieve it on his second year with the Wolves, aka one of the worst run organization in American sports? Either way it wasn't a good look for DL, which is why we fired him and he's struggling to find a full time job in the league right now.
jom2003
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Nah that's a reach. Tatum was already very polished offensively as a prospect. Basically everything that Ace isn't.
If you’re going to dismiss Rudy and Don like afterthoughts and agonizing of Grayson Allen, it’s clear that you’re not actually trying to evaluate DL objectively. I never said DL was perfect, but those two draft picks alone were massive. In fact, they were so good that you could **** up a lot of stuff like DL did and still have a very good team over an extended period of time. Yes, players of that caliber absolutely do not grow on trees. You’re out of your god damn mind if you think so.
Don’t get it confused, I’m not here to say DL was amazing, but those players are not afterthoughts. Those are all nba players who were not high draft picks. You can draft 5 Udoka’s in a row and it wouldn’t off set drafting a hall of fame level player in the first round. When you dismiss things like that, it doesn’t help your argument. It just makes you look like another hysterical, whining fan. You’re not coming from a place of rationality if two future hall of famers is side note and what really matters is Grayson Allen.
Rudy and Don were killer moves and I take real issue when people treat that like an afterthought….but the team building around those two was truly dreadful. It amazed me that we didn’t even give those two another chance. We built a roster that was obviously poorly constructed fit wise and one of the most stubborn coaches in the NBA. It will never sit right with me that we didn’t even try another version of Don+Rudy. We were hell bent on sticking with Quin and also doubling down on zero defense outside of Rudy.
I don’t know who you blame for that inaction, but to me that was one of the biggest mistakes this franchise has made. Sitting on our hands with two players of that caliber was incredibly wasteful.
jom2003
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When have I ever said Rudy and Donovan are afterthoughts? Just look up my comments back from 2019-2022 and I've always said over and over that those two were great players, fantastic players being let down by an incompetent management that is Dennis Lindsey. And yes I actually agreed with you by saying Rudy made it to WCF with the wolves, aka one of the worst run organizations in all of American sports, on his second year... when DL failed to do so for 7 ****ing seasons. And Donovan's trip to his first ever conference final isn't far from the horizon either. And honestly this really shouldn't have happened, don't you think? We absolutely should've made it to at least one WCF when we had those two on our team. I mean 12 teams out of 15 in the West managed to do it since 2013 when DL took over, which left us, the kings and Pelicans to be the only teams that missed out. How can you possibly defend that? Do these 12 other teams have some guys that “dont grow on trees”?
And you know I'm not just talking about Grayson Allen. Allen is merely a symptom to the bigger problem. What about Trey Burke? What about DedEx and gave him a 3 yr fully guaranteed extension knowing his injury risk? What about selling your pick when Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Clarkson and the ****ng Joker was still available? What about the balance test on Lyles? What about taking Tony Bradley over Derrick White and Josh Hart? What about the historic blunder that ended up getting him fired that is the Dokey Azubuikey? And don't even get me started on his absolute ****** management of "bAcKuP CeNteRs" and "point guard rentals". Just tell me why do we still owe a FRP to OKC in the middle of rebuild when OKC is contending for a title?
All in all, this really shouldn't have happened. Both DM and Rudy are still in the middle of their prime and should still be on the team. Instead, we can only watch both these guys contending for a chip with other teams on national TV while us jazz fans having to ensure this painful process of a tank. And we only have DL to thank.
jom2003
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And your logic runs equally well for Nico Harrison. The guy was on a roll prior to the Luka trade and emsembled an amazing supporting crew around him that took them to the NBA final.
"Hey mavs fans, even though Nico just executed one of the worst trades in NBA history, lest not forget all the amazing things he done prior to that."
It just doesn't work that way I'm afraid.
One amazing move or moves he made years ago is not some kinda get-out-of-jail-free card that excused all the horrendous moves that follow.