I read this in the voice and mind set of that black actor fromthe first Transformers movie when they raid his grandmamas house.
Grandma dont like nobody on her carpet, especially police!
Police Brutality
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I read this in the voice and mind set of that black actor fromthe first Transformers movie when they raid his grandmamas house.
Grandma dont like nobody on her carpet, especially police!
Come now. Of all the people on this forum, I respect your views and opinions more than just about anyone. As far as "facts" go, I still don't have all of the facts, and have stated from the get-go that I don't see anything wrong with what the officer did. As the title of the thread suggests "Brutality", I expected to see some actual brutality, but did not.
If what I've read is correct, she has been involved with at least one hit and run. Take everything else away, and that is enough for me to believe that she has no regard. I don't think this girl is a crazed lunatic, but a moron. Now she's a vegetable, sucks to suck. Probably shouldn't have run from the cops.
Thank goodness that the police had that to fall back on, imo. Can you imagine that cop losing his job or getting sued (or going to jail?!) over this? Over doing his job? Over taking a suspected felon who just tried to escape the jail down with a taser?
Wait, what? Let me rephrase and be clear:
I do not think that the cop did anything wrong. I do, in fact, think the girl made the wrong choice to run from the police, and that the officer was well within his right to nail her with a taser. I also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of Hayward.
I hate you
You're applying situational ethics as your solution. You believe the girl was an idiot and thus punishment should be doled out without respect for the law. That's not justice.
This officer broke the law as it is intended and he damn well knows it. His department knows it. That's whey he has changed his stance to skirt around the vagueness of wordings. If you want to give police authority to detain with tasers then change the damn laws. Where do we sit as a society that says authority can break the law as long as we agree with the end result but we should enforce the law upon this young girl because we disagree with her brand of lawlessness?
He's going to get sued along with the state and most likely lose civily. I wouldn't be surprised to see this march its way toward the supreme court as well. I'm not sure if the officer is protected against criminal action there or not. There's a clause that protects them when following state law even though that procedure is actually constitutional but I don't remember what the correct term is.
I'm going to give it a rest because I came off offensive where I didn't mean to be. Sorry to you and Archie (who's not reading anyway). What I wrote to beanclown stands though.
The only other thing I'd like to know is where each of you draw the line in the sand as to when lethal force is justifiable and when it is not. Specific examples please.
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We do as the oligarchs command.
Nobody wants to hate on cops until they see something like this.
The girl was running for all she was worth, but handcuffed. She wasn't going to get into a car and drive off, she couldn't have run out of the parking lot. Even a fat officer could have paced her for thirty seconds and then just taken hold of her in a soft arm hold and walked her back to the office.
A handcuffed person has no way to break a fall to protect the head.
I'm starting to get the impression you're relying on police backup in your job a lot dealing with probable nutcases of one kind or another. I would agree with you that this chick was probably marginal to begin with, but that is really all the more reason why a person who actually has his wits doesn't need to resort to even "non-lethal" violence like this. I'm of the opinion that the government programs for managing people, even people who need "help", are just failing, and failing because of the intellectual dishonesty and laziness of the "public servants" who have become, in their own minds, the Lords of the Manor.
I bet that 250lb man tackling her would've been the better option, then people could be jumping all over the cop for not using his taser.
I don't do a lot of neg reps. If you weren't from Vegas, or near enough to know better, I would have laughed off your point of view. I negged you because you should realize how some police "cultures" are just not serving the public need anymore.
I know some folks in Vegas. An elderly mother and adult single daughter who lived in the mother's home. In her nineties, there's been a time or two when the EMTs where called out. The second time some bruises were noticed on the underarm/armpit, where she had obviously been carried by someone a bit too strong for the job. In the panic, the EMTs pushed an accusation that the daughter had caused the bruises, and she was charged with abuse for it, and the mother taken out of her home and put in a care center. In the ensuing legal and medical care expenses, the home went in the red, and Clark County executed a lien on it for "services" and sold it off on a firesale auction for a few thounsand dollars.
Please try to tell me you would have dared to stand up and plead the case for the daughter and would have tried to let them stay in their home, or you have absolutely no credibility with me.
And yes, in Vegas, if you break and run from the cops or even a dogcatcher, you're going down hard.
loyalty for friends can be a nice thing. Your friend on the WVC force has probably told you what it can be like on the job.
My desert Sheriff has always treated me good. He even got visibly angry when I told him how a neighbor had put a gun to my head and threatened to shoot. According to him, that's aggravated assault. I didn't react, and repeated my advice that he should get off my land. Then he started telling me the history of the valley and that he knew where the line was better than I did. I told him if he wasn't too lazy to drive his grader down the old county road once in a while, maybe I'd know where the line was, too. That pretty much made the standoff a no-win for him. He's never been back to discuss the subject, or to drive the grader down the road he's supposed to maintain.
But back to the Sheriff. This is the guy, who single-handedly made a successful arrest of three redneck survivalists who refused to vacate their desert plot after declaring taxes illegal and refusing to pay, and refused to be served eviction notices. They put him under live fire, eighty miles from town. He talked them down, and took them in. No taser needed.
I'd like to invent some way our mint could run off a million copies of him.
He should have shot their asses. They apparently didn't have a problem shooting his... just saying.
Babe go back and read my response and his post I quoted. He says all cops are that way and that is crap. Clearly there are some back cops. I even said so. But if you are going to stand there and say they are all bad then that is pure crap to. i personally know some cops that are good, hard working, smart mena dn women. You cannot stand there. I will not accept someone telling me they are bad.
So your stance is idiotic (not you, your stance) and I could care less if you neg me. Hit me again.
So your stance is idiotic (not you, your stance) and I could care less if you neg me. Hit me again.
Of course you're right, and Babe knows this. You'd be hard pressed to find 1 cop in 100 that isn't worth his/her salt. If T-Ville is any indication of how other agencies are run (at least in Utah), you've got some of the bravest and selfless people in the world out there putting their lives on the line so you, I, our families, and friends can all sleep better at night. I can't imagine what cops and their families have to endure; the heartache, the worry, the sleepless nights -- all so we can live a little easier. There is no greater calling in this life than to serve and protect, and my hat's off to anyone who proudly and diligently wears a badge.
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Biggest problem I have, is how fat that **** was. I know Ive said this already, but if the ******* actually was in shape, he'd be able to catch up to this woman and the her down, preventing the need for tasters and what not. I mean come on. You're a cop. You gotta be able to chase after people on foot. This entire mess could have been curtailed if police forces actually focused on fitness with their staff. From what I hear, it is incredibly difficult to pass a physical exam in order to become a cop (at least here in the city that I live in). Why not maintain those standards?
Devils advocate here (I love being part of His team): That cop was working the front counter at the jail because of a disability that he has. He was shot while on duty and had a large portion of his intestines removed, has to use a colostomy, etc. Being "fit" isn't really in his job description.
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Well, now this gets a bit interesting. How are the benefits for retired police officers? As far as I know, in Canada they are decent. Quite frankly, if you aren't at 100% fitness, I don't know if the police force is for you. It sounds harsh, I know. Honestly, the fact that that officer was shot (probably on duty) is a testament to how much he cares for his job- if he was willing to jump right back into becoming a cop. So, it would be hard to not let this person become a cop due to an injury he sustained on the job. However: when we let physically unfit officers on the police force, incidences like these are bound to happen.
This guy has no case and this is going to cost the taxpaying citizens of Florida a ton of money.
For those pretending tasers are not a problem? Wrong.
It's more than clear from that video that very light, traditional levels of force were all that was necessary.
https://www.wtsp.com/news/article/2...-woman-Danielle-Maudsley-I-needed-to-stop-her
https://www.flhsmv.gov/fhp/Manuals/1005.pdf
For those pretending tasers are not a problem? Wrong.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/publi...se-of-taser-on-woman-raises-questions/1215998
It's more than clear from that video that very light, traditional levels of force were all that was necessary.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/publi...se-of-taser-on-woman-raises-questions/1215998
https://www.wtsp.com/news/article/2...-woman-Danielle-Maudsley-I-needed-to-stop-her
https://www.flhsmv.gov/fhp/Manuals/1005.pdf
OK, so I'll say it again, too.
I realize that folks who call police "pigs" and who will call it brutality when anything gets out of hand on the cop side, like a reflex judgment just waiting to pop off about it. . . . might be just crapping over everything.
I realize that most cops will face situations where their life is at risk and a snap judgment has got to be made, and the willingness to protect his own life is about all that stands between the wannabe murderer and my own kids' safety anywhere they might be.
I realize that it takes a whole lot of crazy for someone at a police front desk being booked for a six-months' old charge of any kind to just bolt and run while handcuffed, and if you ask me she was probably strung out on meth too, and it was only a hundred yards to the highway in the background. It looked like it was about two steps out the door where she was tazed, but she was running fast too. So it probably took the officer about three seconds to get the tazor shot off. So I think the officer in question did it virtually on reflex, which I think is as bad as calling cops "pigs" on reflex.
There should have been a couple of other cops in hot pursuit out that door, and they could have taken her easily if they were just normal runners.
I am of the opinion that tazors are not something I want the police using casually. Maybe in the case of someone brandishing a knife in a threatning way where someone is gonna get hurt if anyone goes near, especially if looking down the barrel of gun the dude still doesn't have the sense to drop it. I'd consider it's use in that case clearly justified.
I am of the opinion that it's a good thing for the cops to take the high ground and enforce some discipline in their own ranks about how to use force, and that it's in the public interest to weed out the hair-trigger officers who are losing their cool when there is no imminent threat to their own lives or the lives of others. I admit this chick could have become such a threat if she bolted out into a busy highway, and maybe if that was the concern we could give this officer some slack.
But I'm going with the ACLU spokesman who was interviewed on this case, not with the police chief who was interviewed way off in what-was-it Dallas six months later, right after another person was tazed while in handcuffs there.
I think with several hundred deaths per year from tazing, we have to keep the use from just becoming routine. It really just looks like we're making Frankinstein monsters outta our police sometimes to have them out there popping off on old geezers, little old ladies and scarecrow kids who are unarmed.
All that said, it breaks my heart when I hear of a case like the sheriff in Millard County a little over a year ago who was doing a routine traffic stop, and the druggie perv just shot her dead point-blank when she walked up to his car.