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GVC said:
The officer was within arms' reach of a handcuffed, non-violent offender, and decided to, without warning, shoot her with a taser. It was careless and, given the other options the officer had and the severity of the crimes committed, it was vicious. It also seems like his use of the taser, given the situation, was illegal. It also appears as though this will lead to the woman's death. Strangely, everything I said is spot on. So, should the officer be held responsible for his crimes?
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Simple answer: No. (because he did nothing wrong, but that's already been beaten to death)
 
TroutBum said:
Simple answer: No. (because he did nothing wrong, but that's already been beaten to death)
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So a cop doesn't have to answer for his crimes? Maybe the victim in the case didn't think she had done anything wrong either.
 
GVC said:
So, even though tasers have been fatal in a number of cases, their use is always appropriate? Do you ever side against those in authority?
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Guns kill more people than tasers, so is it appropriate to ever pull one? This is a ridiculous argument. Do I ever side against those in authority? Sure. Show me some instances where "those in authority" abused their powers and/or did the wrong thing and I'll agree with you.
 
TroutBum said:
Guns kill more people than tasers, so is it appropriate to ever pull one? This is a ridiculous argument. Do I ever side against those in authority? Sure. Show me some instances where "those in authority" abused their powers and/or did the wrong thing and I'll agree with you.
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I can't find an example, since you seem to think anyone who breaks any law forfeits all their rights.

Unless they're a cop, anyway.

Maybe he should have pulled his gun and shot her in the back of the head then, I guess.
 
What about when prisoners try to escape prison and are shot? I dunno the exact law on this but it has happened tons. This girl was in custody and tried to escape and therefore was brought down with force.
 
GVC said:
So a cop doesn't have to answer for his crimes? Maybe the criminal in the case didn't think she had done anything wrong either.
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Fixed and if that was all it took the prisons would be almost empty.
 
GVC said:
I can't find an example, since you seem to think anyone who breaks any law forfeits all their rights.

Maybe he should have pulled his gun and shot her in the back of the head then, I guess.
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Meh, I had a nice response to this all typed up and ready to roll, but really, what's the point? I can make **** up and use blanket statements too! Everyone who smokes pot is a dumb **** loser, has no life or prospects, and is a burden to society.

Gee, that was easy and somewhat refreshing.
 
Beantown said:
Does anyone know if prison guards are allowed to shoot prisoners who try to escape?
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Here is an example of it happening but it does not say wether policy was followed. I would assume it was as it never mentions charges agaisnt the officer.
 
TroutBum said:
Meh, I had a nice response to this all typed up and ready to roll, but really, what's the point? I can make **** up and use blanket statements too! Everyone who smokes pot is a dumb **** loser, has no life or prospects, and is a burden to society.

Gee, that was easy and somewhat refreshing.
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GVC reminds me of those people that support a criminal winning damages for getting hurt in the process of breaking the law.

Like a criminal who gets shot robbing a home in the middle of the night by the home owner.
 
Gojazz79 said:
GVC reminds me of those people that support a criminal winning damages for getting hurt in the process of breaking the law.
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eh? I just support the idea that the penalty should fit the crime, and that those in authority should be held accountable for breaking the law.
 
TroutBum said:
Meh, I had a nice response to this all typed up and ready to roll, but really, what's the point? I can make **** up and use blanket statements too! Everyone who smokes pot is a dumb **** loser, has no life or prospects, and is a burden to society.

Gee, that was easy and somewhat refreshing.
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And you know that I've answered those stupid statements several times in the past on this site.

If a cop breaks the law, should he be held accountable?

When is using a taser appropriate?
 
GVC said:
And you know that I've answered those stupid statements several times in the past on this site.

If a cop breaks the law, should he be held accountable?

When is using a taser appropriate?
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Of course a cop should be held accountable for breaking laws.

There are lots of times when using a taser is appropriate, like say, when a handcuffed suspect is trying to escape from jail and has made it to the outside of the building and is running toward the freeway. Would you really like more specifics?
 
I could see him getting in trouble for not properly detaining her as the whole incident itself could've been prevented. As well as it is pretty serious issue, if considering other potential criminals that get brought in that could do a lot more harm including trying to hurt other officers in the building for revenge.

Also haven't heard details on the officer, was he a patrol officer that helped bring her in, is he a guy that works in the holding/booking station and there for doesn't have the physical requirements as other officers would.

As I also brought up and Trout did as big as he is, he definitely could've done a lot of damage by tackling her. If he had done that we could still be talking about this but instead of a tazer it would be physical abuse brutality.

So again I not knowing all the what ifs and details, I could see and understand him getting in trouble for procedural issues/violations that led to him tazing her.
Also if he was in violation of the local RoE then he could get in trouble I don't know what they are and didn't think he used excessive force but again if the RoE for his county or state (wherever they get them) was violated then yes he should be in trouble.
 
GVC said:
And you know that I've answered those stupid statements several times in the past on this site.

If a cop breaks the law, should he be held accountable?

When is using a taser appropriate?
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According to you it isn't. Go look at Franklins post about even the liberal state of Washington allowing tasing in this instance.

Having said that I believe cops should be physically fit. Same with all other emergency personel
 
Gojazz79 said:
According to you it isn't. Go look at Franklins post about even the liberal state of Washington allowing tasing in this instance.

Having said that I believe cops should be physically fit. Same with all other emergency personel
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Perhaps you and trout missed franklin's post where he detailed how this particular act was clearly against the law in Florida: https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?9032-Police-Brutality&p=261714&viewfull=1#post261714

Presumably, given these details, trout, you're all for the book being thrown at the officer, right?
 
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