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Can Favors be a legit center?

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My first thought is the Jazz need to trade Big Al. Offensive black hole (although his assists have gone up lately) and defensive liability. And he makes too damn much. Trade Jefferson and that means Favors needs to play the 5 for about half his minutes (when Kanter is resting). Can he hold his own against the better 5's in the league?

Then my thought process turns to trading Millsap and pairing Jefferson, who has shown he's a legit center, with Favors and having Kanter rotate in. With this three-man rotation, Al & Kanter are forced to play some mins together. Who is the PF in that case, especially guarding opposing 4's? Or do we need to pick up a pretty good player who would be content with 10 mins off the bench - and I'm not talking about a guy like Elson or Collins. Or do we have that person in Evans?

Perhaps what we need most in the draft is a combo forward. Someone who is primarily a SF, but could match up effectively against the backup 4's of other teams.

I'm leaning most towards a trade of Big Al. I think Millsap's mid-range game is just too valuable to give up, especially since Kanter and Favors are both inside players with limited offensive games. Millsap is a good compliment to either. But we would need to sign or draft another big, hopefully one who could walk and chew gum at the same time.

In any case, I won't be too upset if the situation is still unresolved through early next year (i.e. up 'til the trading deadline). Favors and Kanter still need to show some consistency. And, Utah has been very lucky in terms of injuries. Generally, you'd expect a couple of the bigs to miss some games here and there. That all 4 have remained relatively free of injuries/dings is unexpected and has caused some of the problems with PT.
 
I am sure the Jazz will be busy looking to unload AJ in the off-season.
 
He can be either, but Kanter is definitely a center. If Sap or Al are traded next year, Favors is first in line to slide into whatever starting spot is open. Kanter will have to wait for a while until he is a full-time starter, don't see him being ready till his 3rd year.
 
GlassEater said:
My first thought is the Jazz need to trade Big Al. Offensive black hole (although his assists have gone up lately) and defensive liability. And he makes too damn much. Trade Jefferson and that means Favors needs to play the 5 for about half his minutes (when Kanter is resting). Can he hold his own against the better 5's in the league?

Then my thought process turns to trading Millsap and pairing Jefferson, who has shown he's a legit center, with Favors and having Kanter rotate in. With this three-man rotation, Al & Kanter are forced to play some mins together. Who is the PF in that case, especially guarding opposing 4's? Or do we need to pick up a pretty good player who would be content with 10 mins off the bench - and I'm not talking about a guy like Elson or Collins. Or do we have that person in Evans?

Perhaps what we need most in the draft is a combo forward. Someone who is primarily a SF, but could match up effectively against the backup 4's of other teams.

I'm leaning most towards a trade of Big Al. I think Millsap's mid-range game is just too valuable to give up, especially since Kanter and Favors are both inside players with limited offensive games. Millsap is a good compliment to either. But we would need to sign or draft another big, hopefully one who could walk and chew gum at the same time.

In any case, I won't be too upset if the situation is still unresolved through early next year (i.e. up 'til the trading deadline). Favors and Kanter still need to show some consistency. And, Utah has been very lucky in terms of injuries. Generally, you'd expect a couple of the bigs to miss some games here and there. That all 4 have remained relatively free of injuries/dings is unexpected and has caused some of the problems with PT.
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The player you are describing there is MKG for sure. He seems to have enough strength to matchup against some 4's. That isn't our need though. Our need is wing who can shoot and PG who can run an offense or score.

And yeah, if we need a 10 minute backup PF, Evans can be that guy.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
He can be either, but Kanter is definitely a center. If Sap or Al are traded next year, Favors is first in line to slide into whatever starting spot is open. Kanter will have to wait for a while until he is a full-time starter, don't see him being ready till his 3rd year.
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Yes, I know that but Kanter can't play 48 mins at the 5. I'd like to see Favors play all his time at PF. He's almost AK-like with his recovery to the basket and coming over to block shots from the back side. I don't want him to spend half his minutes battling opposing centers.

I guess that's my conflict. I think Millsap is a better value (vs. Jefferson), but it's really Paul who stands in the way of Favors. I wish Ty would see if Millsap could play some big 3. Of course, that would mean less time for Howard and his <40% shooting. Can't let that happen!
 
If I had to choose between Al and Millsap - I'd choose Millsap. Both only have a year remaining on their contract and Al makes $15 mil in '12-13, Millsap $7.2 mil, but most importantly - Millsap is more versatile and has shown he can play within a team concept where he's not a primary option.

In an ideal world where Favors and Kanter continue to improve, I wouldn't mind seeing the minutes of our bigs divided between Favors, Kanter and Millsap next season. Millsap, Favors and Kanter as your top-3 bigs gives you alot of flexibility and versatility. I really don't think there's any combination of those 3 that doesn't work together on the floor. Then the wild card is if we resign Evans to use as a situational 4 in certain matchups, but I'd like to stick with those 3 moving forward and rely on your 4th big for depth only.

Of course, this is all contingent upon Favors and Kanter building on their promising play.
 
Funny I was thinking something similar but my conclusion was different. I think favors defense makes up for Jefferson's lack. I think trading millsap is the better option if we get a 3 who can shoot. I also agree that Evans is that 10 min man you would need.
 
Xthren said:
Funny I was thinking something similar but my conclusion was different. I think favors defense makes up for Jefferson's lack. I think trading millsap is the better option if we get a 3 who can shoot. I also agree that Evans is that 10 min man you would need.
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If Favors offensive game could improve, he would be a good fit with Jefferson. I think he is a better fit with Sap though.
 
It's not absolutely imperitive to trade Big Al.

These next two seasons are setting up 2013-2014 as THE year. This offseason, we will most likely have 2 lottery picks again. Then after next season, Jefferson is off the books. We don't want to take on more money. This is what KOC is setting up for the 2013 offseason:

PG: MAX Contract / Lottery Pick
SG: MAX Contract / Burks
SF: Hayward
PF: Favors / Lottery Pick
C: Kanter

- Craig
 
Craig K. Manscill said:
It's not absolutely imperitive to trade Big Al.

These next two seasons are setting up 2013-2014 as THE year. This offseason, we will most likely have 2 lottery picks again. Then after next season, Jefferson is off the books. We don't want to take on more money. This is what KOC is setting up for the 2013 offseason:

PG: MAX Contract / Lottery Pick
SG: MAX Contract / Burks
SF: Hayward
PF: Favors / Lottery Pick
C: Kanter

- Craig
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Then Favors leaves for more money. Hayward leaves because the Jazz have no money and Kanter is signed for his value. Burks leaves because he can't start and wants more money. In your senario those max guys better be 2 guys that can carry a team. From the PG and SG position that is highly unlikely to be the case.
 
My problems with Al on this team:

1) Corbin revolves our entire offense around him, especially on crunch time. Millsap gets no looks, Hayward never got any looks, Harris gets no looks (unless its a pass out of the double from Al). Honestly, most of Harris's points are either off of double team dish-outs, or points in transition. Millsap's scoring when he's playing with Al is always either the rare iso, or simply garbage points, cutbacks, and what not. Al isn't an all-star,we really should focus our teams offense that much on him
2) Defense. Though sometimes he has the occasional decent rotation, or a block or two, he is just woeful in other areas. Man cant guard the pick and roll to save his life. No profound improvement from last season, unfortunately

He has gotten much, much better at passing out of the double. His mid-range game has improved as well. Offensively, he has carried our team at many points this season.

Honestly, half of the reason why Al is hated so much on this board isn't even really his fault. It is Corbin's choice to make the players dump the ball to Al in the low block, and pray to God that his weepy drops. Its Corbin's choice to throw Al in at the 8 minute mark in the fourth quarter, when we should be focusing more on making defensive stops. Its Corbins choice to make Al check out at the 1 minute mark of the first quarter. Its Corbins fault for not benching Al's *** if he lets a PG blow right by him for a dunk

I am not a massive Corbin hater by any means, its just that a lot of our qualms with Al, have to do with how Corbin utilizes him. I think it'd be interesting if he played for the first 6 minutes of the first quarter, then was subbed out, and then played for the majority of the 2nd quarter in our bench, leaving a lineup of Harris Bell/Burks Hayward Millsap Favors to close games.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
The player you are describing there is MKG for sure. He seems to have enough strength to matchup against some 4's. That isn't our need though. Our need is wing who can shoot and PG who can run an offense or score.
And yeah, if we need a 10 minute backup PF, Evans can be that guy.
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I don't think us getting MKG is realistic. The guy that came to my mind was T. Jones. He's a better shooter, and if he is like Odom he can play both the 3, and the 4 positions.

Xthren said:
Funny I was thinking something similar but my conclusion was different. I think favors defense makes up for Jefferson's lack. I think trading millsap is the better option if we get a 3 who can shoot. I also agree that Evans is that 10 min man you would need.
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Favors in my mind matches up better with Millsap as he can play the perimeter so Favors can stay inside, plus with Jefferson out of the way, I think Favors will develop a lot quicker. I just don't see Favors developing into a star with Al taking most the touches, and ultimately both Al, and Millsap might have to be moved to make room for both of the young bigs. I'm pretty sure Millsap will com and a much bigger contract .
 
I like Cyrone think we need a PG and a good shooting wing. I have also come to the conclusion that we need to trade Al and keep Millsap. With Millsap, we have a quicker PF, who can play stretch 4s relatively well. He's more efficient than Al, a better defender (although a tad undersized), and adds something different from Kanter and Favors, while being a relatively good rebounder for his size. Favors can play Center: https://www.slcdunk.com/2011/8/2/2310892/find-your-true-center
 
If the jazz go into this next draft with 3 picks (2 first-rounders +1 second-rounder) and the intention of keeping all of them, then I'd suspect that they'd draft the fourth big. After watching his past two games, I am, like everybody, impressed with Crowder.

I'd be surprised if they brought three more rookies to camp. Given that, I hope that they trade Al and then sign some journeyman big to be #4.
 
NAOS said:
If the jazz go into this next draft with 3 picks (2 first-rounders +1 second-rounder) and the intention of keeping all of them, then I'd suspect that they'd draft the fourth big. After watching his past two games, I am, like everybody, impressed with Crowder.

I'd be surprised if they brought three more rookies to camp. Given that, I hope that they trade Al and then sign some journeyman big to be #4.
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ok,,but than,,can we please get THIS guy :) ;

41. Atlanta - Robert Sacre (6'11'', C, Gonzaga, Sr.)
42. Portland - Dee Bost (6'2'', PG, Mississippi State, Sr.)
43. Utah - Dusan Cantekin (7'4'', C, Turkey)
44. Houston - Ognjen Kuzmic (7'1'', C, Bosnia)
45. Milwaukee - Jae Crowder (6'6'', SF, Marquette, Sr.)
46. Houston - Scott Machado (6'1'', PG, Iona, Sr.)
 
i am not stuck in the word center or pf, Favors can play either position and it is not important which one it is, 4-5 is a pair , so it depends on who is the next big guy , if millsap is in the court he will definitely defend bigger players, if kanter is on the floor he will defend whom he can better, and while jefferson is on the court (which i hope wont be next year) he can defend the number 4 of opposite team.

But if we are talking about future, Favors and Kanter can very well play together and guard whom they can best regardless who is a center who is a pf.
 
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