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Doufos is gone

Borat said:
SLT: "O’Connor suggested that trading Koufos increases the likelihood the Jazz will bring back Kyrylo Fesenko as a restricted free agent." Looks like Jazz like Fess more. Otherwise they could have just rescinded Fess' QO and kept Koufos. Anything above a mil a year for Fess though would be overpaying. He is a 3d stringer, and should be paid as such.
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I'd go up to 1.5 million pretty easily if I were the Jazz, maybe even 2 million, but your point is valid. Jazz definitely must have liked Fes more. And frankly, I agree with them.

One thing I really like about this deal is that it sends a very clear message to other teams that might be thinking of making an offer to Fes: "He's our guy, we will definitely match your offer." I think that will discourage a lot of offers he may have gotten. In my opinion the only way Fes doesn't come back is if he gets a ridiculous offer like Matthews did. (Ridiculous for Fes would be anything over ~3 million and/or anything over 2 years.)
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I'd personally go no higher than Koufos' contract.
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Agreed 100%. In fact, Jazz may be thinking they can go lower (but perhaps multi year deal: first year .9 mil, second year 1 mil), which may explain why the made Wolves take on Koufos, even though Wolves did not want to. Well that and they may like Fess more.
 
For what it's worth, reports are that Minnesota is looking to ship Koufos. In other words, KOC wanted him off the cap, not Minnesota wanting Koufos.
 
While I like Jefferson and think he is the taller, younger Boozer, I think the Jazz gave up too much for him. They are in essence giving up 3 first round draft picks for a player that Minnesota was desperately looking to give up. The trade excpetion plus 2 drafts picks or 1 pick plus Koufos would and should have been enough. I think this was going to be Koufos' year, as he played well in the Summer League and looked like he was finally merging his flashes of brilliance from his rookie year with his more muscular NBA body. I think he could have been part of Utah's rotation this season especially with Okur out for much of the first half of the season. If Koufus wasn't in the deal, I would have given this trade an A. With him in the deal, I give it a B-, as I think Utah gave up one piece too much.
 
Pastramiking said:
While I like Jefferson and think he is the taller, younger Boozer, I think the Jazz gave up too much for him. They are in essence giving up 3 first round draft picks for a player that Minnesota was desperately looking to give up. The trade excpetion plus 2 drafts picks or 1 pick plus Koufos would and should have been enough. I think this was going to be Koufos' year, as he played well in the Summer League and looked like he was finally merging his flashes of brilliance from his rookie year with his more muscular NBA body. I think he could have been part of Utah's rotation this season especially with Okur out for much of the first half of the season. If Koufus wasn't in the deal, I would have given this trade an A. With him in the deal, I give it a B-, as I think Utah gave up one piece too much.
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With the way the Jazz draft, and the position that they would potentially pick at, we just traded away 3 players that might make another teams squad as a backup for Al Jefferson.

The trade exception was a throw-in from Chicago, something we only got to use. So the trade exception was going to be used anyways.
 
Kyoto said:
With the way the Jazz draft, and the position that they would potentially pick at, we just traded away 3 players that might make another teams squad as a backup for Al Jefferson.

The trade exception was a throw-in from Chicago, something we only got to use. So the trade exception was going to be used anyways.
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Well, it wasn't a throw in. Jazz asked for it and Boozer and Chicago both accepted it.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Doesn't make sense to me. They need roster filler. Decline the option and he's done after this year at 1.2 M.
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Roster filler can come at 400K and at a position they need more. Wolves did not want Koufos, but KOC made them take it, so Greg saves on luxury tax.
 
So I read somewhere that Koufus is 6th on the T-Wolves depth chart for big guys. LOL. Guy can't play in the NBA.

Weird that Fes hasn't gotten an offer at all. Maybe nobody thinks he can play either.
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
So I read somewhere that Koufus is 6th on the T-Wolves depth chart for big guys. LOL. Guy can't play in the NBA.

Weird that Fes hasn't gotten an offer at all. Maybe nobody thinks he can play either.
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No, because if you look at box scores and don't do the on-court/off-court analysis, it's easy to come to that conclusion.

Good for Utah; less competition.

Now that Fesenko has a license (presumably), maybe he can be a designated driver for Jefferson ;).
 
Pastramiking said:
While I like Jefferson and think he is the taller, younger Boozer, I think the Jazz gave up too much for him. They are in essence giving up 3 first round draft picks for a player that Minnesota was desperately looking to give up. The trade excpetion plus 2 drafts picks or 1 pick plus Koufos would and should have been enough. I think this was going to be Koufos' year, as he played well in the Summer League and looked like he was finally merging his flashes of brilliance from his rookie year with his more muscular NBA body. I think he could have been part of Utah's rotation this season especially with Okur out for much of the first half of the season. If Koufus wasn't in the deal, I would have given this trade an A. With him in the deal, I give it a B-, as I think Utah gave up one piece too much.
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You're making it sound like the Twolves got away with one here by prying Doufus from us as we kicked and screamed, other way around, bruh. I see what you're saying on paper, but in reality taking him was a concession from the Twolves, not the coup you're making it out to be. WE WON by them taking Doufus off OUR hands. You'll see that by the fact they are just gonna cut or trade him. Calling him "a first round pick" like he's a nameless, faceless asset is misleading. He's Kosta ****ing Koufus, 1st round 2nd round.....first overall pick, doesn't matter, he's terrible.
 
InGameStrategy said:
No, because if you look at box scores and don't do the on-court/off-court analysis, it's easy to come to that conclusion.

Good for Utah; less competition.

Now that Fesenko has a license (presumably), maybe he can be a designated driver for Jefferson ;).
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Or you can actually watch the games and see that these guys have no talent.
 
Or more like a 5yr 50 million dollar deal :) The bi-annual is what 2 million? i think we would match that. Sloan thinks he has a lot of talent and apparently exit interview went well. Wonder if they will be able to watch any of his national team games this summer.


David Stern said:
You guys know that Portland is going to offer big Fez their bi-annual exception.
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InGameStrategy said:
No, because if you look at box scores and don't do the on-court/off-court analysis, it's easy to come to that conclusion.

Good for Utah; less competition.

Now that Fesenko has a license (presumably), maybe he can be a designated driver for Jefferson ;).
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Kahn said that he had talked to Koufos' agent to let him know that they would try to find him a place where he could be higher on the depth chart in a contract season. On the Wolves, he's the 6th man on the big man depth chart.
 
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