anybody miss Jeffersuck?

[SaltyDawg]

Listen, I like Al, like many here, great dude, but you have to live and die with Al Jefferson offensively. His FG percentages basically can tell you if we won or not on any given night. Simply put he's not a guy to build a contender around because of his insane lack of defense and how much he dominates the ball offensively........IMO.

You don't have to live and die with Jefferson offensively or have him dominate the ball offensively.

Yes, the Jazz have been doing that. It doesn't mean that is the only possible way he can ever be a member of the Jazz.

It sounds to me like your issue is with Corbin, not Jefferson.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Wow, so wrong.

Boozer improved a ton.

Okur improved immensely. Doubling his highest scoring total in Detroit during his best year with Utah.

Boozer and Okur did not "develop" in Utah. They both played the same games they always had. They just got bigger roles, more minutes, and plays designed for them.

 

[Litany]

As others have said. Glad Al is helping them. Nice guy. But we need to move him this offseason.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Boozer and Okur did not "develop" in Utah. They both played the same games they always had. They just got bigger roles, more minutes, and plays designed for them.

The Jazz developed them into who they where. Don't try to tell me Boozer was the pick 'n roll master he was the day he came into Utah. The Jazz taught him how to perfect that. Same with Okur. Okur barely even got minutes in Detroit.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Humphries spent 6 years in the league doing jack ****. It was no team's fault he didn't develop.

And who knows what would have become of him if he had one of the best players in the league at his position working with him every day after practice.

Not saying he would have definitely been better. Just saying it's obviously working for Favors and Kanter. You can see it in their moves and footwork. It'd be pretty foolish to interrupt that development right now.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Before Al Jefferson, there was no post game. If the Jazz didn't have him, that entire bank of knowledge - the property of Al Jefferson - would be lost forever.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And who knows what would have become of him if he had one of the best players in the league at his position working with him every day after practice.

Not saying he would have definitely been better. Just saying it's obviously working for Favors and Kanter. You can see it in their moves and footwork. It'd be pretty foolish to interrupt that development right now.

Yes, I'm sure Al helps them with footwork. I hope they soak in all they can. I think he will be gone this off-season.

 

[larryselbows]

I don't see why we can't have both practice and in game experience.

Just because Jefferson is on the team and working with the young bigs in practice doesn't mean the young bigs can't play.

We don't have to lose possibly the best big man tutor in the league just because Corbin doesn't know how to distribute minutes. If Corbin can't distribute minutes adequately, then it's Corbin who needs to be dumped.

There are 96 minutes to distribute and Al takes 35 of them, that's how you can't have practice and playing time. It's Math dude.

 

[Bodhi]

And who knows what would have become of him if he had one of the best players in the league at his position working with him every day after practice.

Not saying he would have definitely been better. Just saying it's obviously working for Favors and Kanter. You can see it in their moves and footwork. It'd be pretty foolish to interrupt that development right now.

You're right, Brother, as myself and Numb have said, he's obviously worth $14mil as a big man coach. Airtight logic.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Before Al Jefferson, there was no post game. If the Jazz didn't have him, that entire bank of knowledge - the property of Al Jefferson - would be lost forever.

Once Al Jefferson dies, the art of post offense will be forever gone, only a memory for museums and really boring highlight videos.

 

[SaltyDawg]

The Jazz developed them into who they where. Don't try to tell me Boozer was the pick 'n roll master he was the day he came into Utah. The Jazz taught him how to perfect that. Same with Okur. Okur barely even got minutes in Detroit.

Boozer was always a good shooter (which made him good at pick n roll). He didn't get any new skills here, just got plays ran for him using skills he already had.

Same with Okur. The only thing Okur picked up here was he started faking the 3 point shot and dribbling to the hole. And I would hardly call that "development" of a big man's game. He had a great jump shot, good rebounding, and limited post game before he came to Utah.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Why does SaltyDawg post in the Utah Jazz section now? I was hoping that he would only ever post in threads pertaining to either the Utes, or Pitbulls.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Boozer was always a good shooter (which made him good at pick n roll). He didn't get any new skills here, just got plays ran for him using skills he already had.

Same with Okur. The only thing Okur picked up here was he started faking the 3 point shot and dribbling to the hole. And I would hardly call that "development" of a big man's game. He had a great jump shot, good rebounding, and limited post game before he came to Utah.

Whatever you say. I'm sure Sloan and the Jazz system had nothing to do with developing Boozer and Okur's skills into All-Star caliber ability. They were practically All-Stars the minute they touched down in Utah, all they needed was minutes.

 

[Bodhi]

Boozer was always a good shooter (which made him good at pick n roll). He didn't get any new skills here, just got plays ran for him using skills he already had.

Same with Okur. The only thing Okur picked up here was he started faking the 3 point shot and dribbling to the hole. And I would hardly call that "development" of a big man's game. He had a great jump shot, good rebounding, and limited post game before he came to Utah.

I'd love a dissertation on all the big men who have come into the league in the last 10 years and how the Jazz have failed and the rest of the entire league has flourished. I was under the impression that big men were the biggest (pun semi intended) commodities in the league, but it seems everyone else is kicking them out in record numbers and we are the only team "without".

 

[SaltyDawg]

Before Al Jefferson, there was no post game. If the Jazz didn't have him, that entire bank of knowledge - the property of Al Jefferson - would be lost forever.

As far as the Jazz are concerned, this is true. Favors had no post game at the start of this season. And nobody on the coaching staff was a post player.

There are 96 minutes to distribute and Al takes 35 of them, that's how you can't have practice and playing time. It's Math dude.

Who says Jefferson HAS to get 35 minutes per game? Your math is based on a false pretense.

You're right, Brother, as myself and Numb have said, he's obviously worth $14mil as a big man coach. Airtight logic.

Are the Jazz hurting for cash or something? We have a good mentor/tutor/coach, good practice player, good personality in the locker room, good character guy, and he can also play pretty well on the court if we ever need him to. As long as we're not over the tax limit, and not looking to be major free agent players anyway, I don't care how much he makes. His salary isn't hindering the team in any way. And he's off the books when the Jazz hope to be players in the free agent market.

Once Al Jefferson dies, the art of post offense will be forever gone, only a memory for museums and really boring highlight videos.

See above. The Jazz don't have a great track record developing big guys, particularly big post players.

Millsap is the exception, and he's not really a big guy, or even a true post player.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Whatever you say. I'm sure Sloan and the Jazz system had nothing to do with developing Boozer and Okur's skills into All-Star caliber ability. They were practically All-Stars the minute they touched down in Utah, all they needed was minutes.

Speaking of all of that, what does it say about the most skilled scoring big that the league has ever seen that he couldn't wrap his head around an offense BUILT TO MAKE HIM SCORE?

I sure hope he doesn't transmit whatever makes him unable to comprehend team basketball to our two #3s.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Whatever you say. I'm sure Sloan and the Jazz system had nothing to do with developing Boozer and Okur's skills into All-Star caliber ability. They were practically All-Stars the minute they touched down in Utah, all they needed was minutes.

So what new skills are you claiming they developed?

 

[SaltyDawg]

I'd love a dissertation on all the big men who have come into the league in the last 10 years and how the Jazz have failed and the rest of the entire league has flourished. I was under the impression that big men were the biggest (pun semi intended) commodities in the league, but it seems everyone else is kicking them out in record numbers and we are the only team "without".

Well, for starters we drafted Humphries while the less athletic, fatter, Al Jefferson (who was the same age but with less experience) went later in the draft.

 

[NUMBERICA]

As far as the Jazz are concerned, this is true. Favors had no post game at the start of this season. And nobody on the coaching staff was a post player.

Where did David Robinson learn his post moves, then? Or Shaq? Or McHale? Or Wilt?

If players need stars to teach them their most intimate secrets, then where did Kobe learn how to play like that? Or MJ?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So what new skills are you claiming they developed?

Knowledge. They learned the mental part of the game. Positioning, how to run the Jazz offense, setting back screens, etc. So many things. I really don't understand how you can say the Jazz suck at developing big men.