SaltyDawg
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lol, why do you think I keep calling him "the kid" instead?
Black Kid Shot in Gated Neighboorhood
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lol, why do you think I keep calling him "the kid" instead?
If I hadn't just slapped a -19 on your *** for being your same old retarded self, I would totally +19 this post. I, too, have only called him "the kid". Again, what a stupid ****ing name.
PearlWatson
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You call the 6'3" teenager a kid for perception reasons.
You call the 6'3" teenager a kid for perception reasons.
I just read on the police report Martin is 6' tall and weighed 160 lbs. Not 6'3. And most people refer to 17 year olds as kids.
Also find it weird on the police report, they listed everyone's weight, even the witnesses, but failed to record Zimmerman's weight.
Yeah, they found a bag that contained a bit of shake and a pipe. That's like srs drug offenses yo!
I think if someone instigates a fight they forfeit the right of self defense. If he did chase after a kid, and the kid believed he was in danger at that point if a fight broke out it would be the kid who would be justified in the self defense case, not the guy who chased after him. I guess legally it all depends if being chased after is the start of the definition of assault. I think you can make that case. I know if someone is chasing after me I'd usually believe an attack is one the way.
All this being said I don't believe they have enough evidence to charge this guy. And that being said, I believe if this piece of crap Zimmerman could have done something totally f'ing revolutionary and minded his own business this kid would be alive. But no, he had to reenact his pathetic Dirty Harry fantasies and someone got killed because of it. I don't buy his story at all that he got sucker punched, as most rational people don't decide to fight someone 10 years older than them and who outweigh them by 80 pounds.
All right to ask him? Sure. To follow him after that? Maybe, but at someone point following can become harassment. Most normal people would just call the cops, because most normal people get that following someone may lead to a physical confrontation, and most normal people, especially if they're adults and not 12 year olds, like avoiding that
Way to make yet another irrelevant point, Nathan. Let me repeat, and I'll shout this time so your THC drenched ears/brain/face can get it: I DON'T THINK THAT EITHER OF THEIR PASTS ARE RELEVANT TO THIS CASE.
SaltyDawg
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It wasn't even a bit of shake. It was "marijuana residue." Meaning the bag was empty but it tested positive for having marijuana in it at some point.
SaltyDawg
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If a man kills someone, how can you say his history of violence is not relevant? I just don't understand that at all.
Also, I saw on the news yesterday that the lead investigator in this case, after questioning Zimmerman the night of the incident, recommended arresting and charging him. He was over ruled by the state attorney (who is no longer working this case.)
SaltyDawg
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Yo Trout, I just read your negative rep...
Let me just say that I do not think getting caught with a pipe and bag that tested positive for "marijuana residue" is a "serious drug offense."
In your negative rep, you said, "Just because you don't think that it's a serious drug offense doesn't mean that the law doesn't either. There is a reason it's against the law."
I would like to point out that the kid was never charged, or even arrested. So "the law" must not think it's too serious either. And even if he had been prosecuted to the fullest extent, he would have probably never been arrested, and only got a $50 fine (if even that).
That is not "a history of serious drug offenses" as you put it. That is one single, very minor offense. It is probably the lowest, least significant, minor drug offense, that anyone could possibly have on their record. I am honestly not sure if there is a lesser drug offense written into law. If there is, I sure can't think of it.
The dude got caught with something that tested positive for residue of the lowest illegal drug. The same drug that is actually legal in many states (possibly his own, I haven't looked into that yet). And it was only one time. If this is "a history of serious drug offenses" then I would love to know what you call the losers who have been arrested for dealing, possessing, and/or using heroin and/or crystal meth 4 or 5 times.
Let me just say that I do not think getting caught with a pipe and bag that tested positive for "marijuana residue" is a "serious drug offense."
In your negative rep, you said, "Just because you don't think that it's a serious drug offense doesn't mean that the law doesn't either. There is a reason it's against the law."
I would like to point out that the kid was never charged, or even arrested. So "the law" must not think it's too serious either. And even if he had been prosecuted to the fullest extent, he would have probably never been arrested, and only got a $50 fine (if even that).
That is not "a history of serious drug offenses" as you put it. That is one single, very minor offense. It is probably the lowest, least significant, minor drug offense, that anyone could possibly have on their record. I am honestly not sure if there is a lesser drug offense written into law. If there is, I sure can't think of it.
The dude got caught with something that tested positive for residue of the lowest illegal drug. The same drug that is actually legal in many states (possibly his own, I haven't looked into that yet). And it was only one time. If this is "a history of serious drug offenses" then I would love to know what you call the losers who have been arrested for dealing, possessing, and/or using heroin and/or crystal meth 4 or 5 times.
Shouting isn't necessary. Being intellectually consistent is necessary, at least if you want to like make any sort of point. In this case you've totally overblown something on one side but then said "it's not relevant," as if that somehow excuses what you've overblown. It would be like in a custody hearing case one side saying about a parent who missed his kid's soccer game saying "he has a serious history of ignoring his children and not giving a damn about their activities, but I don't think we should hold that against him."
For some reason you think possession of a bag that contains pot residue and a pipe is a "serious" drug offense. Even in Utah where the laws against pot are way too harsh that's a misdemeanor, which is like the definition of not being serious in terms of law. In Colorado it would get you a ticket. In Florida, where he got busted, it was worthy of a suspension and at worst it would have been a misdemeanor, and they didn't consider it "serious" enough to call the police and charge them with anything, and I doubt a DA would have charged him with anything, because it's about the complete opposite of what is "serious."
Gyp Rosetti
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So you don't think the fact (if the info is true) that Zimmerman reportedly called the police (911 I presume) something like 74 times since 1/1/11 demonstrates an obvious delusional pattern of self-aggrandizing behavior that sadly peaked with this incident?
That is what I think, but it doesn't exclude the possibility that Tryvon felt threatened by Zimmerman and preemtively attacked him, giving Zimmerman the chance of a lifetime he'd been waiting for to use his firearm on what he felt was a no-good punk.
Let this be a lesson to all the people who talk big about two in the chest one in the head and the like. Zimmerman is living that dream right now...in hiding in fear of his life and in real danger of being prosecuted...in Florida no less, a pretty gun-lovin' state for that side of the ol' Miss.
SaltyDawg
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Does anyone want to change their position now that the police video has been released?
I just saw the video of Zimmerman arriving at the police station (in handcuffs) and he didn't have a scratch on his body.
No blood in his body or clothes, no bruises, no tears in his clothes, no evidence of any kind of struggle at all.
I just saw the video of Zimmerman arriving at the police station (in handcuffs) and he didn't have a scratch on his body.
No blood in his body or clothes, no bruises, no tears in his clothes, no evidence of any kind of struggle at all.
Link>?
SaltyDawg
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I saw it on TV but it credited ABC news, so I just found it in their website:
https://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-m...ance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897
Yeah, that's pretty damning. For a guy with a broken nose he looks pretty well there. I remember getting hit with a baseball bat in the nose in middle school. While it wasn't broken or I wasn't seriously hurt, the amount of blood that comes out of the nose is amazing, and you'd think it would be all over the guy's clothes and everything.