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I agree with this that is why I want lillard more.
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I agree with this that is why I want lillard more.
MattMan
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With Hayward, burks and lillard you have 3 back court players that can instigate your offense. The question is can they all do it together with out having to dominate the ball?
I can agree with that but then would have no problem (if that is indeed still the feeling come draft day.....by then, with combines, interviews etc he just may not be a reach at all...) in trading with a team below us a few picks that really wants a guy in our range and picking up Lillard and another asset in the process.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Lillard seems to definitely need to dominate the ball to be affective. If your drafting him to be the primary playmaker then that's fine, but if the plan is to let Hayward run the offense or Burks Lillard doesn't work. If Hayward is going to run the offense it would be better to draft Beal or Rivers, who can guard pg's. More Beal then Rivers though, as Rivers likes to have the ball in his hand.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Speaking of Lillard, not sure if this was discussed before, but for those that saw Lillard play Nevada for the Big sky or what ever championship, this was the biggest game of his career, instead of taking over the game to start the second half he seemed to defer to other teammates every time, teammates that were far less superior in talent. Lillard didn't assert himself till the game had gotten out of hand. Makes me wonder if he had played for Kansas or KU if he would have been more like Miller. Am I reaching with this assessment?
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I feel if we are going to draft a pg draft the best one available, and that is Marshall. You can still use Hayward as a point forward when Marshall is on the bench, but a good pg is always a better option running the team then Hayward as much as I like him, but a guy like Hayward is good to have to take pressure off the pg, and when the pg goes out the offense doesn't lose a beat like it did when Stockton or Williams went out for a breather.
orangello
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I had the same question. The only game i watching him play in was that championship game against "Nevada" or if you actually watched it it was Montana. Getting back to the subject at hand, he seemed to not have the ball in his hands very much. Montana did all that they could to take it out of his hands and it worked a many occasions. He did string together a few possessions at a time that he was very ball dominant but he was also able to score playing off the ball.
Meh, he got his teammates wide open looks a lot in that 2nd half also. They were hitting those shots, but didn't in the 2nd half.
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/B.J.-Young-6243/
Another potential PG to add to the mix. This one is more of a scorer, but DX had rated as the 8th pick in next year's draft. He (stupidly IMO) has decided to declare for this year though.
https://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/57093/bj-young
Check out some of his games. He has had many 20+ point games, and even scored 31 on Florida.
Shot 50% from the field, 41% from deep, and 74% from the line as a freshman.
Another potential PG to add to the mix. This one is more of a scorer, but DX had rated as the 8th pick in next year's draft. He (stupidly IMO) has decided to declare for this year though.
https://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/57093/bj-young
Check out some of his games. He has had many 20+ point games, and even scored 31 on Florida.
Shot 50% from the field, 41% from deep, and 74% from the line as a freshman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfD502J0VC8
Dude can shoot and is very athletic.
Also has the same stats as Austin Rivers in 8 less minutes per game.
Dude can shoot and is very athletic.
Also has the same stats as Austin Rivers in 8 less minutes per game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQS2fybncC0
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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He did both in the game as well as distributing (in the first half) in the second half he was timid relied too much on inferior teammates. Lillard disappeared for the first at least 9-10 minutes of the second half, when he finally asserted himself they were down at least ten points.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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That game came up a red flag. It's the only game I've ever seen him play, also the biggest game in his career. When the game got close again Lillard seemed to shrink in the biggest moment. I don't know if he has a history of wilting in big moments, but that's what I saw in that game. Didn't mean to sound wishy washy in my other posts.
Reminded me of when LeBron deferred in the final seconds vs. The jazz.
Reminded me of when LeBron deferred in the final seconds vs. The jazz.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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DX has him listed as a sg on his College team and pg/sg in the NBA. Is he more a combo guard or an actual pg?
In the debate of Lillard v. Marshall:
There is only one ball. If all of The Four become significant contributors as scorers (say, each averages at least 10 ppg, and average 50-60 ppg between them, and not even counting Millsap and/or Jefferson if applicable), having another guy that is going to use more possessions for himself and not be as good of a passer doesn't seem like the way to go. I think on most teams Lillard is the better choice, but with the breadth that the Jazz might have, Marshall might be the piece that makes everything work.
The only thing I'm still having a really tough time with in regards to Marshall is his inability to defend and his lack of length (same wingspan as height).
There is only one ball. If all of The Four become significant contributors as scorers (say, each averages at least 10 ppg, and average 50-60 ppg between them, and not even counting Millsap and/or Jefferson if applicable), having another guy that is going to use more possessions for himself and not be as good of a passer doesn't seem like the way to go. I think on most teams Lillard is the better choice, but with the breadth that the Jazz might have, Marshall might be the piece that makes everything work.
The only thing I'm still having a really tough time with in regards to Marshall is his inability to defend and his lack of length (same wingspan as height).