Romney's The Man
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The Thriller
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I've been back a few times, it's a great place. I would love to live and work there. Summer all year long, beautiful country, cool culture, awesome people, etc.
I guess the drawbacks would be #1 salary (although.... In Sao Paulo they might not be that far behind... And if you get a job at an American firm, you can make bank) and #2 not being able to personally watch Jazz games. Which... Meh. You can get most sports, that you care about, NFL/NBA on dish. I remember seeing a lil bit of the Giants vs... I think it was Cowboys game. When Romo screwed up the hold... lol
And beautiful ladies!
Well If I was moving out of the country (which I will NOT do because of my kids) I would figure out how to watch the games online.
Japan, Australia, S. Africa and Singapore are also on my list.
Edit: Living in Brazil would also teach me Portuguese. Between that and my English and Spanish I would be set.
Japan, Australia, S. Africa and Singapore are also on my list.
Edit: Living in Brazil would also teach me Portuguese. Between that and my English and Spanish I would be set.
The Thriller
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I don't know much about Singapore... Why Singapore? I guess I don't know much about it.
But Australia and S. Africa are definitely on my list as well.
jimmy eat jazz
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Absolutely. There's still around 7 months until the general election. A lot can happen. The economy could tank again, for a number of reasons, or Romeny may successfully rebrand himself (you know, a la etch-a-sketch), etc. Of course, the opposite could happen. I don't put much stock into polls so far in advance of an election.
Those on the left who assume that Obama is a shoo-in given the Republican's untimely and awkward foray into social and reproductive issues, combined with the pandering to the loony fringe of the party, etc. may be in for a rude awakening.
Likewise, those on the right who assume that Obama is a sitting duck may also be wrong.
In politics, as in most other things, partisans/ideologues see things through highly filtered lenses.
I take nothing as a given at this point.
The Thriller
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Romney can and should reinvent himself.
In order to get the GOP's nomination, he has had to paint himself as ultra-conservative with tea.
Now, he can go back to being a moderate/liberal and seek out those independent/women/latin votes.
His tea party/evangelical nutcakes will be left with a decision...
#1 Vote for Obama
#2 Stay home and bitch for another 4 years
#3 Swallow their pride and vote for Mitt
.... We all know they ain't votin for the black Demo.
.... Some might stay home....
I think they'll just complain about how their party failed them and then cast a vote for Mitt.
I think Mitt, if he plays his cards right, could really do some damage this fall. All he has to do is go back to being moderate/quase liberal, do his best to steal back some of those voters that are turned off by tea, and he could really win.
In order to get the GOP's nomination, he has had to paint himself as ultra-conservative with tea.
Now, he can go back to being a moderate/liberal and seek out those independent/women/latin votes.
His tea party/evangelical nutcakes will be left with a decision...
#1 Vote for Obama
#2 Stay home and bitch for another 4 years
#3 Swallow their pride and vote for Mitt
.... We all know they ain't votin for the black Demo.
.... Some might stay home....
I think they'll just complain about how their party failed them and then cast a vote for Mitt.
I think Mitt, if he plays his cards right, could really do some damage this fall. All he has to do is go back to being moderate/quase liberal, do his best to steal back some of those voters that are turned off by tea, and he could really win.
candrew
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Why not Singapore. Seems like a fun place to go, I like Asian women (I like all beautiful women) and it is different than anything I know.
Europe does not really hold any fascination for me (so i switched Spain with Singapore) All my places are spread out and completely different(or where before I added Singapore)
Beantown
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You are arguing something else entirely Bean. He said that it is bankrupting the state, he said nothing about it being effective or ineffective.
jimmy eat jazz
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Whenever anyone associates Obama with socialism, that's a sure sign you're dealing with someone who is irrational, that or he/she has no idea what socialism really is. (Or in the case of Romney, someone who is pandering to the ideological morons on the Republican fringe.)
There is a pretty amazing, interesting and incredibly, wonderfully complex world out there outside of the right wing echo chamber. I know it's scary to think that the entire world cannot be reduced to simple minded right wing ideological soundbites, but I strongly suggest giving it a try.
I particularly liked the part where you attacked his "right wing echo chamber" stance with a standard left wing echo chamber stance.
Well played sir.
jimmy eat jazz
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Wrong. It is not parrotting the 'left wing echo chamber' to criticize the argument that Obama is a socialist. That he is not is self-evident, assuming one understands what is meant by 'socialism' and 'socialist.' This argument is advanced overwhelmingly by persons immersed in uncritical right wing ideological 'discourse.' This argument is NOT advanced, by and large, by moderate Republicans, independents, or Democrats. So my statement stikes me as an accurate empirical observation, rather than the parrotting of any left-wing talking points.
By the way, I am an independent voter who believes strongly in the virtues of divided government, but who also has a profound distrust and aversion to unthinking, low-information ideological morons, such as those who argue that Obama is a socialist.
There is a sliding scale between absolute free market capitalism and absolute state run collectivism. These systems are based on various political philosophies. Obama has repeatedly supported ideas that stem from socialist ideology. Now, there is a big, very big, difference between recommending various socialist inspired programs and transforming the current U.S. economic system into a legitimately socialist economy, but to describe Obama’s stated views as socialist leaning is not some right wing delusion.
So basically it is wrong because you say so? That is as stupid as everything you were just going off about.
I was talking more about this part: "There is a pretty amazing, interesting and incredibly, wonderfully complex world out there outside of the right wing echo chamber. I know it's scary to think that the entire world cannot be reduced to simple minded right wing ideological soundbites, but I strongly suggest giving it a try. "
How about you ask him why he holds these views? Perhaps he has real world experiences that have led him to his views. But no, you are not interested in what his opinion is and how he got there. You are only interested in tearing down any view that is not your own.
As for you being an independent voter. I. Do. Not. Care. Never brought it up and it has no bearing on anything to do with what we are talking about. You used a standard response to attack any opinion other than your own. Your political affiliation is pointless.
candrew
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That's quite a rationalization.
Actually I think "boderline socialist" is code for "boderline black".
I was going to call this "borderline ********" but no there is nothing borderline about that. You are better than that Candrew. For shame.
I'd like to hear your thinking on that. I disagree.
I don't disagree that a big reason why people now (myself NOT included) are so adamantly against government programs is that they believe they mostly help black people and Mexican immigrants. But socialist ideals are socialist ideals. The idea that industry unfairly takes advantage of workers and that it is the right of the people to seize control of these industries in order to opperate them in a way more beneficial to workers is the root of socialist thinking. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I really don't like being called a racist, either explicitly or through inferrence. If you would like to understand the foundation of my political views I will explain it as best I can. I assure you it is not based on a disdain for the poor or a hatred of black people.
candrew
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I wasn't speaking to you specifically or even generally. I apologize if that's the way it sounded.
If you want to question Obama's performance or leadership - I'm all ears; and I would probably agree with you on a few points.
But in these PC times, I am more than certain that all this talk of him being a Muslim or a Non-American or a socialist is coming from folks who, for the most part, are just ticked off a black guy is in The White House.
If you want to question Obama's performance or leadership - I'm all ears; and I would probably agree with you on a few points.
But in these PC times, I am more than certain that all this talk of him being a Muslim or a Non-American or a socialist is coming from folks who, for the most part, are just ticked off a black guy is in The White House.
I am sure that there are some that are mad a black man is the president. I firmly believe they are the vast minority. I recently read an article by a very left leaning journalist that points out that anyone who questions Mormonism is labeled a "religious bigot". The reporter has a very valid point. Then I subsituted "left" with "right" and "religious bigot" with "racist" and I had the arguement against being called a racist for disagreeing with President Obama.
It amazes me how blind people can be (including myself sometimes).