How are we suppose to score without Jefferson? Our defense isn't going to be so improved that we shutdown the top scoring team in the league just by taking Jefferson's minutes below 30. We need him like it or not.
If you were coaching how would you set the rotation?
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That does not mean he is wrong though.
You cannot win with a C that cannot play any D. We can get points elsewhere. For one thing, Hayward is NEVER featured in the offense when Big Al is on the court.
Jefferson's defense isn't that bad. It's not like his (lack of) defense is what cost us the game yesterday. Everyone has to step up and we have to get Jefferson going offensively. He creates a lot of open looks with the way the defense sucks into him when he gets deep position.
Hayward did a great job getting to the FT line game 1, but he also let Ginobili have his way with him and completely stalled the offense a couple of times because he couldn't execute because Ginobili was out muscling him. It seemed like whenever we tried to run a play for him, we wasted half the shot clock just trying to get him the ball.
Yes, his defense is that bad. Yes, it was one of the main factors in the loss.
He may create "open looks" but nothing comes from them as his only pass is back out to Harris on his side. Has his passing improved? Yes, it has gone from F- to D+, still very poor.
I would say B-. How many centers in the NBA pass like him? There aren't even many PF's who have as many assist as he does. Not to mention the fact that the Jazz don't really have many 3pt shooters, so it makes getting assist even harder.
https://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/...gAssists/seasontype/2/position/power-forwards
https://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/...sort/avgAssists/seasontype/2/position/centers
5th rated center in passing.
Tied for 8th in PF in passing.
Not to mention he has much fewer TO's than any of those guys.
And he is only D+ passing?
https://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/...sort/avgAssists/seasontype/2/position/centers
5th rated center in passing.
Tied for 8th in PF in passing.
Not to mention he has much fewer TO's than any of those guys.
And he is only D+ passing?
mtnbayou
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Yes, perfect.
Bout the best we can do. didt watch game 1 closely enough but if Tinsley could do a better job on Parker I would give him some more minutes though.
sportsnut1232
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Agree with all your posts here. Everyone time Al tries to get position, the double team is already on its way because they don't fear our 3 point shooting. Al has done a good job for the most part passing out of double teams. If we had a pg who could hit 3's (Dragic??) then we would have 2 players who can shoot (counting Hayward) and the opposing defense would collapse more, IMO.
You have the stats, I will give you that. Stats don't tell all though. I watch the games and I still see poor passing from Al, considering the number of times the teams goes to him, the time he hold the ball, the consistency with which doubles and triples come to him. He rarely seems to anticipate and make a great pass, he makes good ones sometimes when forced to. Everyone was ooohing and aaaahing over the one against the suns like he was the second coming of Stockton, but he only made that little pass to Sap after he was absolutely completely trapped by the triple team.
There was no offense to speak of yesterday, Jefferson in or out. Harris wouldn't run anything so they optioned Hayward on the other side of the floor. All he could do is hold the ball for 8 seconds then drive to the middle hoping to get fouled. That worked for 12 ft's but it was disasterous the rest of the time.
Jazz need to run and play transition offense when Spurs do get back. Don't let them get set or you're going to shoot a poor percentage. Al Jefferson doesn't play big into that game plan. They need to attack and not let up for 48 minutes.
You don't seem to understand how well the average starting PF's and C's pass.
Even if the Jazz want to play a transition game, they can't be in transition every play. Big Al is still needed if the team wants to have any chance of winning.
And since most of the board wants Al traded (me included), how does that help his trade value by us benching him for nearly half the playoffs?
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I know. Maybe we can just ask the Spurs to stop playing pick'n roll offense. That should help Al and Millsap on defense, since they are both crappy pick'n roll defenders. That will solve a lot of our defensive problems.
You are so blind. Al is horrible. The Jazz do not need him. In fact, they need him not to play to give themselves a better chance this series. How can you not see this? His defense was by far the biggest reason the Spurs won yesterday. When will you realize this?