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PKM said:
By the way, here's what GSW offered the Jazz and how the Jazz countered (for a couple of you that I've already PM'd this to, I worded it wrong the first time, even though there's no difference, per se).

GSW offered to lower the protection of next year's pick ('13) from top 7 to top 3. This, in exchange for Jazz agreeing to guarantee GSW this year's pick.
Jazz countered with the Jazz being guaranteed the '13 pick (rather than 3 protection) AND wanted GSW's 2015 1st, lottery protected.
The info gets a little fuzzy here .. but from what I understand, KOC was prepared to negotiate to the 'middle' by walking away from the '15 pick and just taking '13 unprotected. I was told the Jazz were confident the latter deal would certainly fly and the feeling was GSW would take the deal as well .. but talks ended before any further negotiation ever took place, which surprised the Jazz.

This made me a bit frustrated. Not at KOC or even GSW .. just that it was one that should have gotten done and at least we'd be looking at getting GSW's pick next year, guaranteed.
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Not a bad deal. The GSW offer is crap though.
 
PKM said:
By the way, here's what GSW offered the Jazz and how the Jazz countered (for a couple of you that I've already PM'd this to, I worded it wrong the first time, even though there's no difference, per se).

GSW offered to lower the protection of next year's pick ('13) from top 7 to top 3. This, in exchange for Jazz agreeing to guarantee GSW this year's pick.
Jazz countered with the Jazz being guaranteed the '13 pick (rather than 3 protection) AND wanted GSW's 2015 1st, lottery protected.
The info gets a little fuzzy here .. but from what I understand, KOC was prepared to negotiate to the 'middle' by walking away from the '15 pick and just taking '13 unprotected. I was told the Jazz were confident the latter deal would certainly fly and the feeling was GSW would take the deal as well .. but talks ended before any further negotiation ever took place, which surprised the Jazz.

This made me a bit frustrated. Not at KOC or even GSW .. just that it was one that should have gotten done and at least we'd be looking at getting GSW's pick next year, guaranteed.
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I can almost guarantee that we get the pick next year anyway, so while it would have been nice for that trade to go through now that we know we didn't get help from the lottery, fact is we would have all been very pissed if the pick would have ended up number 8 and warriors would have kept it just so we could have next years pick guaranteed.

The warriors will be AT LEAST a little better next year having bogut, curry, lee, thompson and this years #7 pick. Probably alot better... so i will go ahead and guarantee that we get next years pick right now. I figure they will be slotted no worse than 10th in next years draft so the only way i see us losing out on that pick is if they get EXTREMELY lucky and land in the top 3 after the lottery.
 
PKM said:
Good find. This is why I have been less than optimistic about the Jazz finding a 1st rounder .. not a need with a young/talented team with a 'zillion dollars' in cap space.
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Hmm if the late firsts are available I wonder if would be interested in players like:

Tyshawn Taylor
Royce White
Jeff Taylor
Orlando Johnson
Darius Miller

If we don't have to give up much I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Miller or Tyshawn Taylor.

Though I would much prefer to trade into the Lottery. Lillard and Marshall are far superior talents.
 
PKM said:
Good find. This is why I have been less than optimistic about the Jazz finding a 1st rounder .. not a need with a young/talented team with a 'zillion dollars' in cap space.
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Did we read the same article? I posted this because it seems very likely that the Jazz could get a 1st rounder if they want one.
 
orangello said:
Did we read the same article? I posted this because it seems very likely that the Jazz could get a 1st rounder if they want one.
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Sorry, too much interpolating .. yes, I see that .. but I also see that like a lot of other teams, the Jazz may not want a pick ..
 
Qman said:
Hmm if the late firsts are available I wonder if would be interested in players like:

Tyshawn Taylor
Royce White
Jeff Taylor
Orlando Johnson
Darius Miller

If we don't have to give up much I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Miller or Tyshawn Taylor.

Though I would much prefer to trade into the Lottery. Lillard and Marshall are far superior talents.
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puke
 
The jazz have what, 10 guys under contract for the next year. So grabbing rookies to take over the slots of CJ Miles, Josh Howard, and Blake Ahearn doesn't see too bad. Mid-late round guys don't make that much, do they?
I mean if there's someone the Jazz want to take a chance on - at worst he's taking Miles' spot on the bench.
 
BENTLEY said:
The jazz have what, 10 guys under contract for the next year. So grabbing rookies to take over the slots of CJ Miles, Josh Howard, and Blake Ahearn doesn't see too bad. Mid-late round guys don't make that much, do they?
I mean if there's someone the Jazz want to take a chance on - at worst he's taking Miles' spot on the bench.
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This.

The article mentioned proven talent. I can see people approaching the Jazz asking for some players that are proven that are expiring. Bell, Harris, Millsap, Jefferson could all help someone.
 
BENTLEY said:
The jazz have what, 10 guys under contract for the next year. So grabbing rookies to take over the slots of CJ Miles, Josh Howard, and Blake Ahearn doesn't see too bad. Mid-late round guys don't make that much, do they?
I mean if there's someone the Jazz want to take a chance on - at worst he's taking Miles' spot on the bench.
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Just have to be very careful not to mess with the 'core' guys and the ability to add real punch FA's with the cap space.
 
PKM said:
Sorry, too much interpolating .. yes, I see that .. but I also see that like a lot of other teams, the Jazz may not want a pick ..
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Actually I think the jazz do want a pick. Financially the jazz are good. The team is not ready to compete just yet. In 2 years they will be major contenders. The basis of the article competing teams would rather not wait on developing talent where as the jazz can. Get some talent to develope make a splash in free agency in 2013 and they're suddenly contenders.

The logic of the article states the jazz should grab one of these picks. Also the names you have thrown out the jazz seem to be interested in are players that should be able come in and compete right now. Like Jeff Taylor and Darius miller. I could see the jazz grab a college junior or senior in the late first.
 
Xthren said:
Actually I think the jazz do want a pick. Financially the jazz are good. The team is not ready to compete just yet. In 2 years they will be major contenders. The basis of the article competing teams would rather not wait on developing talent where as the jazz can. Get some talent to develope make a splash in free agency in 2013 and they're suddenly contenders.

The logic of the article states the jazz should grab one of these picks. Also the names you have thrown out the jazz seem to be interested in are players that should be able come in and compete right now. Like Jeff Taylor and Darius miller. I could see the jazz grab a college junior or senior in the late first.
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Yes, but how much are they willing to give up to get a 1st? We are set at the 2, the 4 and 5. We need a 1 and 3. We need shooters and a LEADER (totally).

Are we more likely to get our needs through the draft (giving up assets) or through FA? Not an easy answer, I think.
 
Players that I am liking in the second round

Pgs -

Scott machado he tore up the nj workout and I think he could contribute right away off the bench. He could be a steady starter in the league.

Jordan Taylor dude is built like a tank but shoots like an arty. measured out well at almost 6-3 in shoes he would be a great asset off the bench.

Tomas satoransky would be a good option to stash for a year or two. Great size but is more of a combo. But isn't very quick. This is a swing for the fences type of pick like tomic was. O bad that dint work out but try try again.

Wings -

Will Barton has a ton of talent would be worth a second round pick. He does play a position we are already pretty good at.

Kris Joseph freak athlete that needs to learn more.

Darius miller I have made my feeling well know about him solves a ton of our issues at the 3.

Jae crowder is way short but he is a workaholic. We kind of already have him in Carroll though.

Kris Middleton always interesting to take a player who under performed after coming back from an injury. He might be a steal when he fully recovers.

Big -

Mason plumlee gotta like hard works could have solid career as a 3rd big

Drew Gordon has a lot of talent. I think he should be a late first but will drop to the second. We don't need a 4 but I still like him.

Kyle o'quinn he is going to have a decent back up center role in the nba. I like him a lot.
 
PKM said:
Yes, but how much are they willing to give up to get a 1st? We are set at the 2, the 4 and 5. We need a 1 and 3. We need shooters and a LEADER (totally).

Are we more likely to get our needs through the draft (giving up assets) or through FA? Not an easy answer, I think.
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I am in more reference to just buying a pick in the late first. I think Jeff Taylor will be able to help right away. Or even the nj second might get us a late first. Teams are preferring early second and the non gaurenteed contract to the 3 year first when talent might be close. Ie drafting Taylor in the first to getting miller in the early second.
 
AWESOME list, X. (I may add more later, but ..)

I don't know when the boys will be in Utah, but MKG said he'd be happy to send Jacob a signed ball in the meantime .. cool? If so, PM me an address.
 
Anyone who knows the story of MKG and his family would love this .. if you don't know .. ask, because it's on a plane of its own ..

First gift from Michael to mom (with what he had to say in a card, below).

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Nice little gift to his mom with the caption "Love My Mother, This is my Heart!!!!! Have Fun in Your New Car Mom, Time to give you the World!!!!!"
 
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