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GVC said:
Or you're an idiot.

1. Different drafts. It sounds as though teams value #15 more this year than they did at the draft last year.

2. George Hill is a restricted free agent this coming season, and likely won't command a prohibitive salary.

3. George Hill does a good job effectively/efficiently fitting a role, and will continue to do so for several more years. Devin Harris has clearly lost a step and is not much of a role player.
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you resorting to name-calling doesn't make you sound like a guy who has the facts on his side, just fyi,

1. not that different. chase budinger, a fairly average role player, netted the rockets #18 this year. you don't have to give up a starting PG to get a mid first-rounder.

2. devin harris is an unrestricted free agent this coming season, which means they can either re-sign him or they can let him walk and clear some cap space. also, the fact that hill "won't command a prohibitive salary" is because hill isn't as good.

3. "fitting a role" is exactly right. he's a role player. harris is more than that. which is why teams would pay more for him than an off-the-bench guy who average 9 points and 3 assists.
 
GVC said:
All down the stretch and in the playoffs.
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yes, he started all 11 playoff games, but never finished the games... collison was their closer.

so how valuable can indy really think he is? and yet they gave up a #15 for him. that's all i'm saying -- a mid to late first round pick doesn't cost you an all-star.
 
Catchall said:
This board is bi-polar, either they wouldn't trade Millsap for a lottery pick, or they would trade Al and Harris for a late-first/second-round pick.
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Or the majority of people understand that Millsap is simply a better and more valuable player than two guys that put up some numbers on some other teams and are very obviously not in the long term plans for THIS team.
 
theNBAnerd said:
yes, he started all 11 playoff games, but never finished the games... collison was their closer.

so how valuable can indy really think he is? and yet they gave up a #15 for him. that's all i'm saying -- a mid to late first round pick doesn't cost you an all-star.
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Jamaal Magloire and Mehmet Okur were all-stars.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Or the majority of people understand that Millsap is simply a better and more valuable player than two guys that put up some numbers on some other teams and are very obviously not in the long term plans for THIS team.
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for the record, i believe this too. i just think you have to get more out of jefferson (a fringe allstar) and harris (an allstar two years ago) than a late first.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Jamaal Magloire and Mehmet Okur were all-stars.
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they were default all-stars because of injuries. devin got in by averaging 20+ ppg and posting a top-20 PER in the league that year. he also was the second-best player on an NBA finalist. you can get more for him than pavel podkolzine and a bag of doritos.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Or the majority of people understand that Millsap is simply a better and more valuable player than two guys that put up some numbers on some other teams and are very obviously not in the long term plans for THIS team.
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If Millsap isn't willing to re-up with the Jazz and back up Favors, then he's not really in the longer term plans either. But this is another topic.
 
theNBAnerd said:
you resorting to name-calling doesn't make you sound like a guy who has the facts on his side, just fyi,
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When I think someone's an idiot, I tell them. I don't just hint at it. That would make me a slimy ****ing weasel.

And the way you use "facts" is ridiculous. I thought you were above that sort of nonsense. Viny should be here to demand intellectual honesty.

theNBAnerd said:
3. "fitting a role" is exactly right. he's a role player. harris is more than that.
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And this is where we disagree. Harris is not more than a role player, and he's not a role player. He's not worth keeping on beyond next season. Hill might be. I imagine that's true for many (most?) teams.

Opinions can vary on this one. Far from common sense. You'd have to be a complete ****ing moron to think otherwise. ;)
 
Gotta go with Nerd and logic on this one.

Plus UJ107 agreed with the George Hill lovers.

Yer team, dudes.
 
theNBAnerd said:
ok, current PER: harris still wins, 17 to 15.
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Did you pull those numbers out of your ***? 16.08 to 15.77 in favor of Harris this season (17 to 10 in favor of Hill in the playoffs). Throw in age, role and contract, and...
 
GVC said:
When I think someone's an idiot, I tell them. I don't just hint at it. That would make me a slimy ****ing weasel.

And the way you use "facts" is ridiculous. I thought you were above that sort of nonsense. Viny should be here to demand intellectual honesty.

And this is where we disagree. Harris is not more than a role player, and he's not a role player. He's not worth keeping on beyond next season. Hill might be. I imagine that's true for many (most?) teams.

Opinions can vary on this one. Far from common sense. You'd have to be a complete ****ing moron to think otherwise. ;)
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the argument isn't who would we rather have on the jazz. the argument began as does harris command a better market price than hill did last year? and yes, that answer is common sense.
 
theNBAnerd said:
they were default all-stars because of injuries. devin got in by averaging 20+ ppg and posting a top-20 PER in the league that year. he also was the second-best player on an NBA finalist. you can get more for him than pavel podkolzine and a bag of doritos.
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That year.
 
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