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Welcome back to Salt Lake - Mo Williams

I think there is something else in the works, and that's why KOC used the TPE on a PG when he did. Mo Williams isn't a bad player or bad contract for us, btw. We needed a PG who can shoot.

edit: I'm sure the Jazz also looked at deals for Calderon, Lowry, and other PGs in the league.
 
Hollinger's Analysis - Utah's end of the stick:

But the big winner here is Utah, which gets Williams for free. It's tough to beat that price. For that, the Jazz can thank Billy King -- who traded for a finished Mehmet Okur shortly after the lockout last year and gave Utah a $10.89 million trade exception. Williams' $8.5 million salary fits neatly into that exception, and since he's on a one-year deal, it keeps the Jazz's books pristine after this season. Utah will have just four players under contract and a jaw-dropping $40 million in cap room.

For the short term, Williams is a possible upgrade on Devin Harris as a starter and a certain improvement over the Jamaal Tinsley-Earl Watson contingent that backed Harris up. Additionally, Williams can play some 2 and provides the shooting-starved Jazz with some much-needed 3-point shooting.
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Seems to be on the positive side...
 
And here's your draft pick guys....

while the Jazz conveyed the draft rights of Tadija Dragicevic, Utah’s second round pick (53rd overall) in the 2008 NBA Draft to Dallas. To complete the trade, Dallas sent the draft rights of Shan Foster, the Mavericks’ second round selection (51st overall) in the 2008 NBA Draft to the Jazz, with Houston sending cash considerations to Dallas.
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Via Chris Sheridan

https://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/06/29/lamar-odom-traded-to-clippers-mo-williams-to-jazz/
 
Broncster said:
Who should he have gotten for the TPE? A low risk since he is expiring next year. A player that fits a need in outside shooting. There are not many players out there that teams want to dump and get nothing back for that are worth having on the roster, especially with the amnesty clause. I guess maybe we could have included the GS pick and got someone a little better but I am positive KOC has 1 or more moves that will happen this off-season or start of the season that we need assets for.
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There's 2 separate issues here: The deal in a vacuum, and what the TPE should have been used for.

Deal in a vacuum: There's nothing "wrong" with Mo. But both Dallas and LA needed us to make it happen. Additionally, both Dallas and LA, teams ahead of us in arms race, are greatly strengthened by this deal. That means KOC had leverage. He should have taken the angle that we would help them get better, but we needed more than Mo. He basically underestimated his bargaining position which is always an egregious error of negotiation. But like I said, this is more forgivable since we weren't going to get a whole lot extra back.

What the TPE should have been used for: If you're an actual championship contender, you use your TPE to try and get a player that can help you. When you're trying to become a championship contender like we are, the purpose of the TPE is to acquire a pick. This is ESPECIALLY true when you have space under the LT like we do. A case in point is the recent Charlotte/Detroit swap of Gordon and Maggette. Charlotte sacrificed an extra year of paying Gordon to extract a 1st. With every team now obsessively concerned with their cap in light of the higher penalties, the value of the TPE to absorb junk contracts is only increasing. So to get Mo for one year is FAR less valuable than being patient and playing for a pick.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Career 39% is elite. Ray Allen is a 40% career 3pt shooter and is considered the best ever. So yeah, 39% for your career is elite. Especially when you consider that Williams isn't a 3pt specialist, like a Korver, who you just roll out to specifically shoot 3's. Williams has more responsibilities than that and shoots 39% for his career.
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49% for one year isn't elite but just one step back and very good, but 39% for career is elite.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I think Cuban is looking at around $2.4m to buy out Odom VS giving Odom to a conference rival in the Clippers and giving Williams to us. On top of that you're asking him to send a draft pick our way as well? I think that's a tough ask...

Another thing to consider - we were gonna have to pay for Okur's 2 year deal - so by not having him last year, we already saved around $8m. To look at it another way - instead of saving the whole amount, we'd be saving half the amount - which we should already be happy with.

Plus we got Williams as a bonus. It's basically Okur for Williams and saving $8m in the process (credit Locke for this analysis).
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First, Okur was an expiring but lets skip that. Locke's analysis of this deal is short sighted. But to his credit, spinning it like we parlayed Okur into Williams with a more affordable salary for accounting purposes makes it sound better than it is.
 
billyshelby said:
There's 2 separate issues here: The deal in a vacuum, and what the TPE should have been used for.

Deal in a vacuum: There's nothing "wrong" with Mo. But both Dallas and LA needed us to make it happen. Additionally, both Dallas and LA, teams ahead of us in arms race, are greatly strengthened by this deal. That means KOC had leverage. He should have taken the angle that we would help them get better, but we needed more than Mo. He basically underestimated his bargaining position which is always an egregious error of negotiation. But like I said, this is more forgivable since we weren't going to get a whole lot extra back.

What the TPE should have been used for: If you're an actual championship contender, you use your TPE to try and get a player that can help you. When you're trying to become a championship contender like we are, the purpose of the TPE is to acquire a pick. This is ESPECIALLY true when you have space under the LT like we do. A case in point is the recent Charlotte/Detroit swap of Gordon and Maggette. Charlotte sacrificed an extra year of paying Gordon to extract a 1st. With every team now obsessively concerned with their cap in light of the higher penalties, the value of the TPE to absorb junk contracts is only increasing. So to get Mo for one year is FAR less valuable than being patient and playing for a pick.
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That saved Detroit about 15 million dollars Billy. Mo Williams is not that overpaid, 1-2 million at most.
 
Catchall said:
I think there is something else in the works, and that's why KOC used the TPE on a PG when he did. Mo Williams isn't a bad player or bad contract for us, btw. We needed a PG who can shoot.

edit: I'm sure the Jazz also looked at deals for Calderon, Lowry, and other PGs in the league.
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This point keeps getting missed. Even if KOC can deal Harris for something, that is ancillary. What matters is getting the most out of every individual deal. We left value on the table in the 3 Way. Having typed that, I just saw we got Shan Foster, but my guess is he's just trade fodder to iron out legalities. Hopefully I'm wrong and he's an actual prospect with value.
 
Jazz4ever said:
That saved Detroit about 15 million dollars Billy. Mo Williams is not that overpaid, 1-2 million at most.
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Yes, it did save Detroit big money. But they paid for that by giving Charlotte a 1st. Whether Mo is overpaid is irrelevant to that, but just to play along, Mo is an MLE player at BEST. And at his age, he would get a 3 year deal MAX. That means he's solidly 3 million overpaid which is nearly 40%. In the new CBA, a backup point making 8.5 million is not a desirable commodity at all.
 
billyshelby said:
There's 2 separate issues here: The deal in a vacuum, and what the TPE should have been used for.

Deal in a vacuum: There's nothing "wrong" with Mo. But both Dallas and LA needed us to make it happen. Additionally, both Dallas and LA, teams ahead of us in arms race, are greatly strengthened by this deal. That means KOC had leverage. He should have taken the angle that we would help them get better, but we needed more than Mo. He basically underestimated his bargaining position which is always an egregious error of negotiation. But like I said, this is more forgivable since we weren't going to get a whole lot extra back.

What the TPE should have been used for: If you're an actual championship contender, you use your TPE to try and get a player that can help you. When you're trying to become a championship contender like we are, the purpose of the TPE is to acquire a pick. This is ESPECIALLY true when you have space under the LT like we do. A case in point is the recent Charlotte/Detroit swap of Gordon and Maggette. Charlotte sacrificed an extra year of paying Gordon to extract a 1st. With every team now obsessively concerned with their cap in light of the higher penalties, the value of the TPE to absorb junk contracts is only increasing. So to get Mo for one year is FAR less valuable than being patient and playing for a pick.
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Fair points I would disagree with the strength of our position though. They could have found another team willing to take Mo since he has value and theoretically teams have cap space to absorb him. Secondly Dallas had a deal arranged to buy Odom out and money is not an issue to Dallas cap space is.
 
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