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Is Millsap worth $10m a year?

Is Millsap worth $40m for 4 years?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 65.6%
  • No

    Votes: 31 34.4%

  • Total voters
    90
I like Hibbert (more specifically, I like him a lot more than Big Hole which is saying almost nothing in a sense). He hasn't shown he's a max player. Indy is in a ****ty situation because it would really suck to let him walk but that's a tough pill to swallow.

I guess I brought it up because I know you are in favor of us throwing all kinds of money at Harden and I wouldn't call him a dominant elite force. The Bigs are rarer and Hibbs does have that potential. IMO the Pacers almost have to match.

Just as a random thought, I love it that Portland has done this as (if it comes through for them) they probably won't have the money to attempt to kidnap Millsap again.
 
In the case that we don't extend Millsap this year, and let him test FA as a RFA (right?), how much money do you think other teams would offer him? Extensions can be risky because a player might get a freak injury the year he is extended and end up costing the team a lot of money. Also, if Favors ends up earning more minutes this year, that is naturally going to take away from Paul and his #'s, which may lower his market value. That could possibly push his $$$ in other team's eyes to below 10 per year. I know that is a ****ty way of thinking/doing business, but it may be the smart way to do it.

the point doesn't need to be about ****ty ways of doing business.
First and foremost, if you handle things this way you increase the risk of losing Paul for nothing. If what you outline here comes to pass, then I'd leave if I were him. If he wants and extension and will take 40/4, then you do it now.
 
I wonder if Greg and KOC will risk an extension after getting burned by the last two. (Ak, Okur)

This is a legit worry IMO since KOC has made basically zero commitments to the future since assigning Satan to Hell. Soon he will have to make a hard decision and it better be a good one. If he waits too long problems like what NAOS is talking about will start to sprout up all over.
 
Again it comes down to role.

Is he worth that in the NBA? Yes.

Is a back up PF worth that to this team? Not so sure.
 
Again it comes down to role.

Is he worth that in the NBA? Yes.

Is a back up PF worth that to this team? Not so sure.

How many years will it be until he is a backup though? It's not a guarantee Kanter will ever be good enough to be a starter.
 
No, in 2008 the Jazz signed Deron Williams to a 4-year extension. I would say that was a good move.

I was aware.
Millsap's current contract has also been awesome.
Mellow is just being a lil bitch about this for some reason.
 
Millsap's current contract has also been awesome.
Agreed - and at the time he signed it, although nobody wanted to loose Millsap (particularly with the uncertainty over Carlos Boozer) the concern even then was if Millsap was worth a front-loaded 4-year/$32 million contract. Looking back now it was a steal.
 
How many years will it be until he is a backup though? It's not a guarantee Kanter will ever be good enough to be a starter.

Not to mention that backups can also play basketball. There's a guy that's mostly played off the bench, won three championships as 2nd/3rd option, on one of the smartest and most consistent teams in basketball, and has been paid more than $10 million a year. I forget his name. Anyway, it seems to have worked out for them.
 
I don't know why you wouldn't. He's done nothing but get better EVERY single year for six years now, and he's been producing at greater than $10 million production for two years straight now.

So many people over-think stuff like this. You want good players, and good players cost money. If Millsap is seeking $10 million a year, he's low-balling himself (in the sense that the book on negotiation says to always ask for more than you think you'll get) and all of the absurd and baseless conjecture that Millsap is becoming somehow selfish can go right out the window.
Millsap is a 17/9 guy who puts up those numbers without being a primary option. He's had to defer to first, Boozer, and then Jefferson. He doesn't demand touches and gets his points in the flow of the offense, often hitting jumpers when there is nothing available inside.

I think we often focus on Paul's negatives. And I'm guilty of that as well. Every player, except for guys like Kobe, Jordan, etc. (i.e. the real superstars) have holes in their games. If all Millsap is seeking is $10M, I think that's more than fair. Yes, the new CBA might hold down salaries a bit. Then, again, perhaps not. Wallace got his big deal and Hibbert is getting the MAX from Portland (if Indiana doesn't match). There will certainly be a market for Paul. IMO, if he's getting the ball a bit more, he could easily become a 20/10 player.

Everyone is so focused on Favors and a very raw Kanter. Play those guys 35 mins each - and even that's a stretch due to both having a tendency to foul - and that still leaves 28 mins at the 4 for a third player. And we knwo Paul can also play the 3 against bigger SF's. Millsap can easily still get 35 mins/per - even if he comes off the bench. Personally, I don't see Kanter as being ready to start, so I'd go with Favors at the 5 and Millsap at the 4. In fact, I'd rarely play Kanter and Favors together. Both those guys are going to get their points inside. Millsap takes his defender away from the paint with his mid-range game. So teams can't really double Derek or Enes unless they use a smaller player.

My ideal starting lineup:

C - Favors
PF - Millsap
SF - TBD
G - Hayward
PG - Williams

Favors slides over to PF when Millsap rests. Hayward slides to SF when that starter comes out (early in the 1st/3rd). Then Burks plays the remaining mins at SG.

We need to trade Harris and Jefferson for some combination of a starting-caliber SF, a young PG who can become a starter eventually, and a backup big. Guys like Evans, Carroll, Murphy, etc. round out the roster and play situational minutes or in garbage time, but those aren't the players who win games.

Jazz need a primary rotation of 3 bigs (Millsap, Favors and hopefully Kanter), 3 wings (Hayward, Burks and "TBD") and a PG and limited-minute backup. Or, perhaps the rotation becomes 3 players at the 1-2 with Burks turning into a combo guard. Whatever the case, I think Millsap at $10M fits into the plans. If (or should I say WHEN) the Jazz get rid of Jefferson, they're going to need Paul's scoring and rebounding.
 
I'd be shocked if Kanter was ready for more than 20-23 min/game next year. Maybe he'll get to 30 the year after. He still can't see the offense as it's happening.
If Millsap stays healthy, he can average 30min/game over the span of that contract.
 
We had another thread where I proposed two different offers for Millsap, both of which were just under 10M a year. I don't think he's quite worth 10M if I'm being honest but there's very, very little downside to 10M, if any, especially if it's frontloaded, since we know the type of guy we're getting and I think he'll age fairly well, especially in clutch situations, which is just a gut feeling on my part. I think a five year deal at 12.5M, 11.25M, 10M, 8.75m, 7.5M is extremely attractive for us. We lock him in for five years, never at a price that's going too kill us, and he'll always be quite tradeable over the life of the contract.

So in brief, I think we should offer him the deal I outline here. While he may be worth more in the 9.25-9.75M range, is a half million a year really worth balking at for a guy like this? I don't.
 
I don't think he's worth $10M for the Jazz, unless he's a starter here or a super 6th man a la Lamar Odom. He's not going to start over Favors, so it's a question of whether he accepts that 6th man role. That said, $10M is probably his value around the league.

I'd say, let him go to free agency and prove his value in the market. PF is apparently the least needed position in the league right now.
 
I'd be shocked if Kanter was ready for more than 20-23 min/game next year. Maybe he'll get to 30 the year after. He still can't see the offense as it's happening.
If Millsap stays healthy, he can average 30min/game over the span of that contract.

Even if Kanter is starting next year, Millsap will still get 30 minutes per game most likely. 96/3 = 32 mpg for Kanter, Favors, and Millsap.

I would probably go 11 a year at the highest, anything over 11 would be too much.
 
Even if Kanter is starting next year, Millsap will still get 30 minutes per game most likely. 96/3 = 32 mpg for Kanter, Favors, and Millsap.

I would probably go 11 a year at the highest, anything over 11 would be too much.
If Millsap doesn't take a cool $40 million over 4 from the Jazz, especially if it's frontloaded, then I think that he's being a bit ambitious. An average of $10 million per is a respectable raise and a decent price on both sides. If he balks at $10 million per, let him test the market. If the Jazz offered him $36 million frontloaded, then that would be understandable, too.
 
you can bet your *** that not only could Millsap ask for quite a bit more than he allegedly is.

How much is he allegedly asking for? From what I read, it just says he's expected to ask that much or more. My money is on the or more part.
 
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