Potential New Jazzmen

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

please Please Please no Danny green he isnt Even that good I cant believe the Jazz are settling for some of these scrubs instead Of going after the big Names or something like that. Mo williams is over the hill Too I dont get it Its like they stopped caring when Larry passed away I hope They dont get rid of favors

Mo is in his prime.

 

[NUMBERICA]

please Please Please no Danny green he isnt Even that good I cant believe the Jazz are settling for some of these scrubs instead Of going after the big Names or something like that. Mo williams is over the hill Too I dont get it Its like they stopped caring when Larry passed away I hope They dont get rid of favors

... The ****?

 

[franklin]

Agreed. This is like another team's fan base getting excited about signing CJ Miles.

Except Miles never actually played better when a contract was on the line. He may have put a lot more focus & effort into sucking, but sucked nonetheless.

 

[Tarkanian]

I would think Jazz are hoping Kevin Murphy can come in, be a quick learner, and do what every player mentioned in this post can do for a lot cheaper.

best scenario of the thread!

 

[vslice02]

Except Miles never actually played better when a contract was on the line. He may have put a lot more focus & effort into sucking, but sucked nonetheless.

Actually in 2007-08 CJ played both well and efficiently in limited playing time that included a couple of stretches when he was a regular in the Jazz rotation - which resulted in OKC signing CJ to a 4-year offer sheet nearly $15 million that the Jazz ultimately matched.

 

[franklin]

Actually in 2007-08 CJ played both well and efficiently in limited playing time that included a couple of stretches when he was a regular in the Jazz rotation - which resulted in OKC signing CJ to a 4-year offer sheet nearly $15 million that the Jazz ultimately matched.

I think you're the only one who remembers. The rest of us remember he was a young, athletic prospect who's potential could be had for less than the league average.

 

[NAOS]

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Danny Green for CJ-type money is a great low-risk move in an offseason that is mostly about setting ourselves up for next offseason. I'm sure his efficiency will drop some, but he's a guy that can defend 1-3 -- taking a lot of pressure off of Hayward, Burks, and Mo -- and be productive in fewer than 25 minutes a game. If his 3-pt percentage dipped to 39% would you cry?

I'm really interested in his ability to take the more difficult defensive assignment at the wing, and allow Hayward the energies to take the reigns of the offense.

If you can deal Jefferson and bring back another wingman, then you've had a great offseason. (I'm starting to think more of Iggy).

Harris - Mo
Hayward - Burks
Iggy - Green
Millsap - Favors
Favors - Kanter

Pretty solid, actually

 

[theNBAnerd]

cool story...
shake me when Kanter is ready to play 25-30 minutes/game.
shake me again when Kanter deserves to start.
kthx.

yup.

also, all these names of wings... d green, g green, marco, etc... i can't help but hear those names and instantly think, "AK is better."

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think you're the only one who remembers. The rest of us remember he was a young, athletic prospect who's potential could be had for less than the league average.

I remember. And was going to post before vslice, again, ran a clinic on awesome posting.

I went to bat for CJ a lot after that year only to get mud on my face for it. But he was impressive that year.

 

[theNBAnerd]

Except Miles never actually played better when a contract was on the line. He may have put a lot more focus & effort into sucking, but sucked nonetheless.

CJ wasn't really in the rotation that year. he played a total of 689 minutes and had 22 DNP-CD games.

when he did play, he had his best shooting year from the field and the arc, and put up 15.5 pts / 4.1 reb / 2.8 ast / 1.7 stl per 36. the thunder signed him to the offer sheet based on potential, forcing the jazz to say, "well if we keep him for that amount, we better play him." they did, giving him consistent minutes for the first time that next season, and the guy just never got significantly better from there.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Green is reportedly seeking a multi-year deal, so no thanks.

The thing about the Gerald Greens, the Stromile Swifts, the Charlie Villanuevas, the Erik Dampiers, the Stephen Jacksons of the league...guys who never seemed to reach their potential due to self-inflicted flaws (be it laziness, conditioning, off-court issues, intelligence)...you want those guys on short or expiring deals with something to prove in order to ensure you'll get them motivated and giving you their best effort, concentration and behavior. Once they give you that season, you don't touch them with a 10-foot pole and in no way assume they've changed and are now a completely different player. The best example in my mind is Tim Thomas - who after being sent home and bought out by the Bulls because they hated him, signed with the Suns and became this unbelievable 3-point threat and a well-liked teammate in a great playoff run. Then the Clippers gave him a 4 year deal thinking they were getting 2006 Tim Thomas instead of just "Tim Thomas" and he ended up reverting to the uncoachable, lazy, waste of talent he always was before being traded twice before being bought out.

Gerald Green was out of the league for 2 years because all he seemed more interested in getting on sportscenter rather than being an nba basketball player and really working on his game. He obviously worked hard on his jumpshot and willingness to compete but he basically had no other choice if he wanted to ever play in the NBA again. Maybe he's changed and maybe averaging double-figures on a horrid Nets team is a sign he's now going to have a long career in the NBA, but signing him to a multi-year contract should be somebody else's risk to take and live with. IMO giving a guy who couldn't make his mark for 6 years a multi-year contract based off 2 months of play would be a foolish gamble.

I am 100% with vslice on the Gerald Green idea. He was out of the league for 2 years, and of the 5 years he played, he averaged 42 games played. While he improved his shooting percentages (minus FT) in the 31 games he played last year, he did not play the full season. I don't want the Jazz to take that risk based on his body of work.

 

[framer]

Rush or Danny Green. I don't want to see any more players that cannot shoot (unless it is AK at a reasonable deal because his defense allows us to insert shooters at other positions. I also would love to see what he, Favors, and GTime could do on D.) No other FA we can get can do on D what AK does, so they need to be elite shooters. We need only one drive to get to the line specialist, and that position is filled by Burks.

I fully expect that GTime, Favors, and Kanter will bring up their percentages this year. If Burks can improve his shot as well, we will probably blow up regardless of any more FA pickups. What we are looking for is Burks insurance. Hopefully he makes the point moot.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I would think Jazz are hoping Kevin Murphy can come in, be a quick learner, and do what every player mentioned in this post can do for a lot cheaper.

That may be the case, but it's not good business to not have a plan B... or a plan A in this case.
They/We have had that same hope for every pick we have ever had. Almond was supposed to be a shooter, CJ was supposed to grow into this really good player.... and on and on with all of the players the Jazz have ever picked.

It's not good business to hope someone can turn into what we want. While it did turn out with some like Millsap, for the most part our hopes are crushed with the CJ's and Almonds of the Jazz.
It's good business to have more than one plan, and hoping for a 2nd round rookie to turn into something great should not be plan A.

/2cents

 

[akirac73]

The last "shooter" we got from San Antonio turned out to be a miserable failure in Utah. Anyone remember Devin Brown? I think SAS system/Popovich's brilliance makes players excel beyond their abilities. Pair Green up with a average/below average coach like Corbin?...spells disaster.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The last "shooter" we got from San Antonio turned out to be a miserable failure in Utah. Anyone remember Devin Brown? I think SAS system/Popovich's brilliance makes players excel beyond their abilities. Pair Green up with a average/below average coach like Corbin?...spells disaster.

Ouch

 

[NAOS]

DGreen isn't just a shooter

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

DGreen isn't just a shooter

Offensively that is what he appears to be mostly. About half his attempts are 3 pointers. I'm guessing a large % of his other shots are in transition.

 

[NAOS]

I was talking about his defense.
And, he can continue to "just be a shooter" in our offense. I hope we wouldn't try to turn him into something he isn't. Let him spot up out there while Burks and Hayward get into the lane.

 

[framer]

DGreen isn't just a shooter

Indeed, he can play passible D as can Rush. This is why they would be better than the truly elite shooter, Kyle Korver, who is also available. Wih the quality of our bigs, there is no reason that we couldn't create the spacing that the Spurs do. I think a good training camp will do wonders for this team, as the compressed NBA schedule last year didn't allow for a lot of practice time. It was a bad year to be a rookie coach with lots of good young talent. I suspect Ty will show much better this year.

 

[NAOS]

DGreen will give you more than "passible" D. He'll be able to take the toughest assignment on the wings. AND, shoot threes. Hopefully all of this for around $3.5 M per year.

That's exactly what most people around here have been asking for.

Some are weary because of the PopovichEffect, but I think he needs to come over here.