Jazz trade Devin Harris to Atlanta for Marvin Williams (merged)

[The Midnight]

And then we'd all complain about how "Impotent" O'Connor and "Miser" Miller had both sat by and just let an asset go without getting ANYTHING in return, not even a 2nd-round pick.

AS difficult as it is to get FA's to come to Utah without significantly overpaying, I like the fact Marvin potentially has a 2nd year. Boozer was pretty motivated his last 2 seasons; first because he thought there would be a market for him when he had the chance to opt out, then when no one was going to pay him more. he had another "contract year" and posted good numbers.

Marvin is in a similar situation. If he plays great, he'll likely get a decent offer and will opt out. If he puts up similar numbers to what he did this past season, then we'll have him as an expiring contract asset.

Wow.. solid logic there. Didn't see that comin' - rep'd.

 

[illyasova]

Marvin is good for the organization and everyone was sure Harris was gonna go after Mo. The point on Marvin is his 3 point shooting percentage. Yeah he has all tools to defend, rebounding and hustling but he can not either create his points off the dribble or shoot consistently behind the arc. The last season for him was good and the only thing you can do as a fan is hoping it continues. Spacing and outside shooting is priority for the team and still i can not find a name except MO who shots well and consistently.

 

[theNBAnerd]

10 and 5? You are out of you mother ****ing mind.

umm, those are his averages, pal. in fact, those are his averages consistently over the last three seasons.

 

[Fishsticks]

It's not remotely hard to get an FA top come to Utah if you can pay more than the MLE and that's all other teams can afford to offer. If Williams is worth more than 7.5, then we will have made a great deal.

Supply this list of these fa you think are coming here.

 

[Fishsticks]

umm, those are his averages, pal. in fact, those are his averages consistently over the last three seasons.

You being an nba nerd and all should know that his situation was not ideal, pal.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Also, when Utah traded for Al, I believe it was only Kenwood and myself who were about the only Jazz fans that were skeptical that it might not be all it was cracked up to be. Kenwood started a thread on it, and got absolutely hammered.

I am the godfather of unbridled Big Al hate. And I got hammered for it.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Love the trade. Harris was never a good fit here with his lack of three point shooting and with Jefferson clogging the lane. The Jazz should now have three 3-point threats in the starting lineup compared to one last year.

 

[theNBAnerd]

You being an nba nerd and all should know that his situation was not ideal, pal.

so you were saying i was out of my mind because marvin is going to be way better than 10 and 5? cool. we'll see.

it's not like he's going to be the #1 offensive option here, either. he will probably be the 5th option among starters, whether or not al starts for the jazz.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I was quite a bit against trading for Jefferson as well. Kind of tacitly accepted it, though, and hoped Jefferson would be different in Utah.

 

[The Midnight]

Marvin is good for the organization and everyone was sure Harris was gonna go after Mo. The point on Marvin is his 3 point shooting percentage. Yeah he has all tools to defend, rebounding and hustling but he can not either create his points off the dribble or shoot consistently behind the arc. The last season for him was good and the only thing you can do as a fan is hoping it continues. Spacing and outside shooting is priority for the team and still i can not find a name except MO who shots well and consistently.

I can already see better ball movement just due to Mo's ability to shoot.

Mo passes the ball to Al in the post, Al backs down, draws double team, passes back out to Mo. Defender rushing back to Mo, drawing another help defender - Mo fakes a 3pt shot (defender in the air) and instead passes to a wide open Marv who calmly knocks down the 3pt.

 

[Nate505]

I like this trade, mostly because it's putting a competent player at the 3 and replacing three incompetent (or more in Howard's case over the hill) players at the 3.

That's assuming Bell/Howard/CJ are gone. God I hope so.

 

[NUMBERICA]

We're in the bottom 5 of teams that use the PnR in the entire league.

Because of your boy, Fats Domino. The second he plodded his way onto the court in a Jazz uniform.

 

[vslice02]

You forget that Devin Harris was also making way more than he was worth. So overall I think it's just about a wash.

It's not a wash when contract length is different. In this case it's 2 yrs vs. 1 yr.

I like the fact Marvin potentially has a 2nd year. Boozer was pretty motivated his last 2 seasons; first because he thought there would be a market for him when he had the chance to opt out, then when no one was going to pay him more. he had another "contract year" and posted good numbers.

Marvin is in a similar situation.

I could possibly be the biggest Boozer-support since Sloanfeld left, but Boozer's 2nd-to-last season in Utah he missed 45 games and in the games he did play statistically it was easily his worst season with the Jazz. He played better the next season because he was fully healthy...but just as Boozer couldn't improve his durability because he was in a contract year in 08-09, players can't suddenly find a game because they want a knew contract. Williams will certainly have plenty of motivation to be the best player he can possibly be, but motivation was never really a problem for him - it was about having a game, and Marvin has a solid game to go with above-average size, but his ability just isn't at the level where I'd want to pay him $7.5 mil to do it again. When the season starts I'll sit back and enjoy having him start at SF for us, but financially I just don't think he's the prudent choice.

 

[Julie Greengiant]

Because of your boy, Fats Domino. The second he plodded his way onto the court in a Jazz uniform.

I think that was actually true back before Jefferson as well.

 

[billyshelby]

I think that was actually true back before Jefferson as well.

Numb knows that. He just can't resist the opportunity to take any dig that presents itself when Al is concerned.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think that was actually true back before Jefferson as well.

I'm going to shoot from the hip here and say that that's a bunch of ****ing horse-****. Having the best or second best PnR tandem in the NBA, the Jazz were in the bottom 5? With Sloan as coach? Hard to believe that.

 

[billyshelby]

I'm going to shoot from the hip here and say that that's a bunch of ****ing horse-****. Having the best or second best PnR tandem in the NBA, the Jazz were in the bottom 5? With Sloan as coach? Hard to believe that.

Sure we ran more PnR with Deron and Booze. It was their staple. But we didn't run it with anyone else (even Sap who never ran the PnR until like year 4). And proportionally, we've never run much PnR as a team because we run the flex.

 

[sirkickyass]

I'm cautiously optimistic. Of course this is because I'm comparing Marvin to CJ Miles instead of Devin Harris, and I'm optimistic about just about every player when compared to CJ.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

No. He won't. Marvin Williams has virtually no chance whatsoever to be more than an MLE player when next year is over.

An MLE deal over multiple seasons would be worth more than $7.5 million. He could opt out. He'll only be 26.

 

[cctrackstar]

We're in the bottom 5 of teams that use the PnR in the entire league.

Yeah, becasue Devin can't run it. I think Mo can, he did learn from sloan to start after all. And even if he can't, nothing's changed except that now our point can shoot it and spread the defense.