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Hadn't though of it that way, but yes. Maybe we should start up a collection and then send KOC a nice gift. I think everyone outside of KOCBegone would probably chip in a few bucks.
Quit whining, and just let Al Jefferson's contract play it's course??
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Hadn't though of it that way, but yes. Maybe we should start up a collection and then send KOC a nice gift. I think everyone outside of KOCBegone would probably chip in a few bucks.
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I also thing that Al Jefferson is getting too much of the blame around these parts. I wonder how JazzFanz will react when Millsap is traded instead of Jefferson?
green
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If we traded Al, we would have to replace his 20 and 10, correct? That isn't entirely true. If we started Favors over Al, I would bet Favors defensively would stop two baskets that Al allowed (whether it be through better post defense, better help defense, etc). So, we only need to replace 16 points a night. When Al was hurt Favors went from 10 pts a game to 16. There is six more, and this is assuming Favors doesn't improve from last year. That means we only need to replace 10 points a night that Al gave us.
With the offense actually running. With passes actually being made, and with Marvin and Mo's ability to hit the three, do you honestly think that Paul Millsap, Marvin Williams, Mo Williams, Gordan Hayward, Alec Burks couldn't each average 2 pts a game better? What about Kanter? What about Tinsley/Watson? As far as the 10 rebs a night go, that would easily be made up by Favors and Kanter. Kanter is an elite rebounder.
Anything we get back for Al helps this team. Even nothing.
Now, let's say we decide to keep Al. He has to come off the bench. I posted this somewhere else, but here is the reason why:
Underestimating Al? So, the question is, who starts? Al or Paul? Let's look at the two players:
Better passer: Millsap
Better shooter: Millsap
Better rebounder: Millsap
Better at running the offense: Millsap
Better athlete: Millsap
Better shotblocker: Millsap
Elite "steals" guy: Millsap
Clutch at the end of games: Millsap
Better at holding the ball with one guy guarding him, waiting until three to four guys are guarding him, not passing out of the double to quadruple team, waiting until the shot clock gets down to 3, then putting up that damn "wheezy" shot: Al
Yeah, we are underestimating Al..........
He is our third best big. He should come off the bench. He has one very good NBA skill. Guys with one very good NBA skills are bench guys.
green
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They don't cut to the hoop or set screens because they know they won't get the ball. Jefferson is a ball stopper. I remember one game, CJ cut to the hoop and Al passed it, and CJ was so surprised it bounced off his head. That is an Al problem.
Stifle Tower
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Millsap might accept the backup role for 1/2 season until the trade deadline. KOC can have a chat with him just like he did with Mo. Of course, nothing would be imminent like it was with Devin.
Or, KOC could have a chat with Favors and you could manage the roles again with Millsap and Jefferson starting and Favors coming off the bench. Just have one of the bigs come out early (like the 6-7 min mark). Then Favors comes in and plays the rest of the quarter and all of the next, or take a short breather if needed in the middle of the 2nd/4th qaurter. That gives him 32-34 mins.
I agree with those who have concerns over Kanter being able to assume a big role next season. He averaged 12 mins last season. I'd be happy if he could move that up to 18-20 and see his numbers improve to 8/7.
Big Al is getting better at passing the ball. He averaged a career-high 2.2 APG last year, and had a career-high AST%. I wouldn't be surprised to see him average 3 APG next year, especially if the team's 3-PT% improves.
Plus I think Kanter would benefit a lot from spending one more season with Big Al.
green
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I heard Al say at the end of the season that he wanted to teach Favors that you can be successful without attacking the basket. I hope the rubs off on Kanter..
*sarcasm*
Big Al needed that long to learn from Duncan how to play b-ball? Wow.
Long term, maybe even short term, the team has much better chances without BA. He stands in the way of the future. Send him away. Now.
Is there a link to that anywhere or are you just making up crap? If nothing else, Favors needs to be smarter about attacking the basket and stop trying to run through his defender.
Stifle Tower
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It honestly wouldn't surprise me to see the Jazz stand pat with Big Al and see if the upgrade in the Jazz' outside shooting makes him more effective inside. For all his flaws, Al is an elite scorer down low. Kanter is still an unknown. He certainly looks like he COULD be a starter at some point. Then again, sometimes he looks pretty lost.
We also don't know what will happen with Millsap. Trade Jefferson now and Millsap and his agent have the Jazz over a barrel. I used to say PG was the easiest position to fill on a team. Lately, though, it seems an amazing number of elite PF's have come into the league. Maybe if the negotiations with Millsap reach an impasse, we'll see Paul traded for a good backup PF and a future 1st. And then we have a rotation of Favors, Jefferson, Kanter and can have the acquired player assume the role as the 4th big - or use the draft pick to get another PF.
theNBAnerd
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that's a hilarious post. you think 2.2 apg is the sign of a guy who gets how to recognize and react in the post? that's an assist every 17 minutes from a guy who shoots every two minutes.
He went from a grade of F- passing to maybe a D+. He is still really bad. He only passes when he has to or when it is really obvious and he is positioned to pass.
He got a lot of props for a pass to Sap in one of the PO games last year. It was a nice play in the end and Sap got an easy bucket. However, those folks failed to notice that BA passed it because it was his last resort. He was really trying to get a shot off against the triple team but they had him closed down so well he had no other choice. I f there was way he could have forced up a shot without it being smashed back into his face, he would not have passed.
Nonsense.
1. Millsap doesn't demand enough attention to become an excellent passer.
2. Maybe last season...
3. Millsap is too slow to run many offensive sets from the 3 and is too small to run deep post sets from the 4/5.
Horribly cliche and divorced from reality.
Exactly. They're also capable veterans who should understand how to flex. That should do nothing but increase Al's efficiency in every stat category, unlike dumb CJ, broken Raja, Howard & Watson, mediocre Harris, and young Hayward and Burks. Hayward and Burks get a pass. Jefferson's failures in the post are on the rest though.
Brown Notes
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The people that believe our offense is gonna be a silky smooth machine with Al gone are in lala land. Neither Favors nor Kanter are even average passers and Sap has never been known for his ball movement either. There will be some ugly growing pains.
The thing about Al was he was a dependable iso scorer. He's going to be gone soon, which will force the players to buy into whatever Corbin is selling which hopefully will be a return to the Flex. It'll be choppy and there will be a lot of bumps in the road but with good health and supposing Corbin isn't the boogeyman/retard Jazzfanz believes he is, these guys could look pretty damn good come down the stretch next year.
And still not to worry, this league is freaking starved for Centers. There going to be plenty of teams that end up not having Dwight.
The thing about Al was he was a dependable iso scorer. He's going to be gone soon, which will force the players to buy into whatever Corbin is selling which hopefully will be a return to the Flex. It'll be choppy and there will be a lot of bumps in the road but with good health and supposing Corbin isn't the boogeyman/retard Jazzfanz believes he is, these guys could look pretty damn good come down the stretch next year.
And still not to worry, this league is freaking starved for Centers. There going to be plenty of teams that end up not having Dwight.
I don't think Al should be traded this summer. I would wait to see the growth of Kanter and Favors first. If they prove that they have grown and can play significant and consistent minutes, then it gives you the option to move Jefferson. If they are still struggling to stay on the floor, then I would keep Jefferson for the season and maybe beyond. What I wouldn't want to happen is for the Jazz to hold onto him for too long, knowing that he is not part of their future and let him go for nothing like they did with Boozer. The moment they knew Boozer wasn't part of the future, they should have traded him at the deadline.
billyshelby
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In 2012, Per 48, Al was 6th amongst 5's at 3.1 assists/game and would have been tied for 11th as a 4 with Dirk and Boozer.
In 2011, Per 48, Al was 8th amongst 5's at 2.4 assists/game and would have tied for 20th as a 4 with Aldridge and Bosh.
Al is obviously not an elite passer, obviously, but to say he didn't improve dramatically is false.
In 2011, Per 48, Al was 8th amongst 5's at 2.4 assists/game and would have tied for 20th as a 4 with Aldridge and Bosh.
Al is obviously not an elite passer, obviously, but to say he didn't improve dramatically is false.
Most C's these days are not doing much on offense, not the "center' of attention so passing ops for them are few and far between. BA was the focus of our offense and the focus of numerous double-triple-quadruple teams. Honestly, did your eyes tell you that BA is a really good passer? Mine tell me is a "I'll pass it only if the D really really gives me no other options, like trying to beat the triple team."
Did he improve? Yes. Is he a good passer now? No. Still an offense stopper.
I think there's reason to believe he'll keep improving. The lightbulb over his head FINALLY turned on: https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-...figured-shooters-help-him-open-001412437.html