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Massive Shooting in Aurora (CO) Theater

Thriller, people would go ape **** if the gov tried to take away their guns. Like duck said you'd have 50,000 mini wacos. Once that starts its all a domino affect. Can you honestly see the local sherriff getting into a shoot out with a guy he's known for 20 years over trying to takes his guns away?

So then the government has to resort to the national guard or the FBI or something. At that point that small town, and other across the nation, see them as outsiders...

Easy to see it getting violent on a wide scale
 
"armed insurrection at least" implies that something bigger would probably happen. What would happen is that some people would probably resist, get their asses handed to them, and everyone would give up. Then you would hear a ton of people on the news say things like "Ermagrd I'm moving to Canada!".
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
"armed insurrection at least" implies that something bigger would probably happen. What would happen is that some people would probably resist, get their asses handed to them, and everyone would give up. Then you would hear a ton of people on the news say things like "Ermagrd I'm moving to Canada!".
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LOL.

Exactly
 
The Thriller said:
I'm pretty certain that most pro-gun nutcakes have never used a gun. It's pretty hard to nail a moving object, especially with a handgun. I use guns, know how difficult it is, and laugh at what some of you have written. Compound this by a dark movie theater, your own panic, and the panic of others. It's not like in the movies where all ya do is calmly whip the thing out and aim and you mow down 100 bad guys in 2 seconds like Bourne or Tom Cruise or Avengers.

If there had been just 10 people packing handguns in those movie theaters, I can almost guarantee the body count would be far greater. People would have been bumping into you, your hand would be shaking, you'd be moving, the target would be moving, people would be getting into your line of sight, pieces of the human beings and the theater would be blowing onto your face.

On top of that, the guy had body armor. So your shots (had they even connected, probably wouldn't have hurt him). And by the time you would have hurt him, 10 other people would have been wounded by your shooting.

A movie theater is a horrible place for a gunfight. There are only two stairways and a ton of people to get in your line of sight. Had you charged the shooter, he would have quickly mowed you down (his guns were pretty damn lethal.). Had you jumped to one of the sides, you probably would have broken you leg and taken you out of the game right there. You couldn't sit behind a seat and have a shootout with the guy since it was a packed house and people were running to get away.

Literally, the only option would have been to lay as close to the ground as possible and try and ride it out.
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I understand what you are saying. Depending are where people are sitting and where the shooter is most people would be out of position. However with 10 armed citizens chances are good one of them would be in a position to have a mostly clear shot. As for the body armor, it might stop the bullets. However, I believe that the effect of being shot at would made the shooter more cautious- the crap I might die thought could enter his mind.
 
The gun debate is stuck in mud - some people will be forever for it, some forever against it and the NRA has bought the entire republican party and enough of the democratic party to make sure nothing is really done about it once the chatter dies down after tragic events like this.

I have to ask - can any one justify why in the world the body armor that this puke was wearing from head to toe is legal for the general public? Kind of blows away the "armed good samaritan" theory that the NRA seems to put forth all the time when the bad guy is wearing everything up to and including a bullet proof groin protector.

BTW, by this piece of garbage's expression and body language in court today, I'm more than convinced he planned on off'ing himself after the shooting and just lost his nerve. While the death penality is more than intiuitive in this case, I think 23 hours a day in a solitary cell would be much worse for this guy
 
candrew said:
The gun debate is stuck in mud - some people will be forever for it, some forever against it and the NRA has bought the entire republican party and enough of the democratic party to make sure nothing is really done about it once the chatter dies down after tragic events like this.

I have to ask - can any one justify why in the world the body armor that this puke was wearing from head to toe is legal for the general public? Kind of blows away the "armed good samaritan" theory that the NRA seems to put forth all the time when the bad guy is wearing everything up to and including a bullet proof groin protector.

BTW, by this piece of garbage's expression and body language in court today, I'm more than convinced he planned on off'ing himself after the shooting and just lost his nerve. While the death penality is more than intiuitive in this case, I think 23 hours a day in a solitary cell would be much worse for this guy
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How can you allow guns but not allow protection against guns?
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
How can you allow guns but not allow protection against guns?
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For what possible reason would the average person need body armor for during the normal course of events. And if you say to protect yourself from randoming shootings like this then you're suggesting every one should wear body armor all the time?
 
Guns, marijuana, and prostitution, should all be legal.

However, there should be strict limitations on when and where(and who) you can buy them/it.
 
candrew said:
For what possible reason would the average person need body armor for during the normal course of events. And if you say to protect yourself from randoming shootings like this then you're suggesting every one should wear body armor all the time?
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Well you can reverse the question and say "Why do you need to carry a gun on you at all times?". The answer for both is the rare cases you need protection. I'm sure most of the civilians in America who carry a gun at all times have rarely ever, if at all, drawn the firearm. Of course less people are going to wear body armor because it's probably a relatively high inconvenience. I do agree it should be suspicious if someone has all that gear (just like it should be suspicious if someone has a ****ing AK-47), but it shouldn't be illegal for them to have it.

And there are probably people out there who would/do wear it all the time.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Guns, marijuana, and prostitution, should all be legal.

However, there should be strict limitations on when and where(and who) you can buy them/it.
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I think Chris Rock did a bit on how that the answer is to make bullets cost a ton of money, that way people would shoot less people because it cost too much money.
 
Stoked said:
I will be packing very shortly. I'd get away if given the chance.

However how would I be able to live with myself if I had the ability to do something and I didn't and a little kid was killed. I'd never be able to look at myself again.
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Wasn't there a guy who barred the door to the next screen over and prevented the gunman from shooting up the audience there?
 
asian_roger said:
Let's say someone was packing. The killer was wearing body armor and seemed pretty prepared. So I guess we can say that at least a shootout in a dark theater would delay a few deaths? Create a hostage situation? or something. I guess its better than nothing, but imagine if the entire audience was packing. In my opinion, gun control would just open a larger black market, so the wrong people will end up getting power and blast everyone else away. Imagine a situation where everyone is walking around with a loaded gun, would people be nicer or would there be cowboy standoffs randomly all over the place?

Assuming you are just with a group of dudes and sat at the top in a typical modern movie theater with split entrances, would you jump over the walls on the sides to run outside the door? (this can possibly break your legs, but allows other people to escape the opposite way if the killer decides to chase you) I can't imagine the horror in that room! :(
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it is just about packing.
it's also about knowing how to use a gun. training with it.
nut just radomly shooting targets.
but also stress drills.
meaning shooting while the body is under extreem stress.
 
The Thriller said:
I'm pretty certain that most pro-gun nutcakes have never used a gun. It's pretty hard to nail a moving object, especially with a handgun. I use guns, know how difficult it is, and laugh at what some of you have written. Compound this by a dark movie theater, your own panic, and the panic of others. It's not like in the movies where all ya do is calmly whip the thing out and aim and you mow down 100 bad guys in 2 seconds like Bourne or Tom Cruise or Avengers.
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thats why training under stress would help.
by training under stressfull conditions, when those conditions arise you get to preform in stressful/dark/loud situations.
you'd be panic, but come trigger time your body would stabilize for the spilt secnonds when you pull the trigger
 
DutchJazzer said:
thats why training under stress would help.
by training under stressfull conditions, when those conditions arise you get to preform in stressful/dark/loud situations.
you'd be panic, but come trigger time your body would stabilize for the spilt secnonds when you pull the trigger
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I agree.

But who would go through that kind of training? Who has that kind of time and money?

I'm guessing that the folks who have any type of gun training would already be in the military or police.
 
DutchJazzer said:
thats why training under stress would help.
by training under stressfull conditions, when those conditions arise you get to preform in stressful/dark/loud situations.
you'd be panic, but come trigger time your body would stabilize for the spilt secnonds when you pull the trigger
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I fully agree that some form of training should be mandatory for CC. You have to show that you understand how to work your weapon and good decision making under duress. Utah does not require any shooting to get your CC. That is why some states do not accept the Utah CC...
 
The Thriller said:
I agree.

But who would go through that kind of training? Who has that kind of time and money?

I'm guessing that the folks who have any type of gun training would already be in the military or police.
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Classes are out there for those that want them. Also if it became a requirement and the demand arose a supply would crop up.
 
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Ah. Big surprise. Looks like he's going for the insanity plea.
 
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