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Jesus drank wine, can it really be that bad?

Revolution 9

Revolution 9

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Being raised LDS I was often humored/puzzled at some of my families responses to honest questions I had.

I remember asking "If wine is so bad why did Jesus drink it"?
To which they always replied either "The wine was much less powerful back then" or "Everyone drank wine, it like water".

Does it really matter how much the alochol content is? Are you telling me Jesus didn't get a little buzzed?
And is being buzzed wrong? If drinking alcohol is so bad now, why was it different then? Why would Christ do
something with even this slightest apperance of evil?

Seems to be a little be of a cop out to say "everyone was doing it". Are you telling me Jesus succumb to peer pressure?

Did anyone else ever have a similar conversation with their family? What did they say?
 
I think a popular (and more reasonable response, imo) was that while wine had its problems, it still would have been healthier than lots of drinking water available at the time.
 
spycam1 said:
I think a popular (and more reasonable response, imo) was that while wine had its problems, it still would have been healthier than lots of drinking water available at the time.
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It still also doesn't answer a key question. Did Jesus Christ get a buzz, and would he do so if it's so wrong now?
My family would always allude that he did not. The wine was not strong enough, and that is the point
I thought they were kidding themselves with.
 
Revolution 9 said:
It still also doesn't answer a key question. Did Jesus Christ get a buzz, and would he do so if it's so wrong now?
My family would always allude that he did not. The wine was not strong enough, and that is the point
I thought they were kidding themselves with.
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I'm really not sure...maybe I'll see if I can find something about this topic online and let you know if I come across anything interesting.

One thing that comes to mind is that a lot of things the LDS refrain from are not simply because they view them as "morally wrong", but because they're simply unhealthy--that's where my original comment would come into play; the drinking water was filthy, so wine might be a better option even if Jesus did get buzzed and thought there was something wrong with that.

Sorry, I'm probably not giving you a satisfying enough answer (assuming there is one).
 
So you found an inconsistency between what religious people believe/conduct their lives and what is actually in the bible?
 
spycam1 said:
I'm really not sure...maybe I'll see if I can find something about this topic online and let you know if I come across anything interesting.

One thing that comes to mind is that a lot of things the LDS refrain from are not simply because they view them as "morally wrong", but because they're simply unhealthy--that's where my original comment would come into play; the drinking water was filthy, so wine might be a better option even if Jesus did get buzzed and thought there was something wrong with that.

Sorry, I'm probably not giving you a satisfying enough answer (assuming there is one).
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Red wine isn't unhealthy...

I hate the stuff, though. Give me a white. Chardonnays and Rieslings.

EDIT: Or mead, which you can get in Layton.
 
The more interesting thing to me is that being intoxicated from a CNS depressant like booze is very socially acceptable, but being intoxicated off of anything is is a big no no. Even more bizarre is that being intoxicated off a CNS depressant like booze is ok, but any other sort of depressant (valium, other benzodiazepines) is a no no as well. Most people hide behind the legality of the different drugs, but I think it goes deeper than that. For instance, people's obnoxious/violent behavior seems to get excused when they are drunk, but not when they are stoned/high/intoxicated/etc. off of any other drug.

I've also wondered if they just put booze into a pill and essentially made it something like valium if people would be horrified, as I do believe the method of ingestion seems to matter to a lot of people. Frankly that would be the only way I could stomach booze myself.
 
My opinion. The bible warns of drunkeness .. being a drunkard.

My belief is that having a glass of wine is okay, beyond that may become 'wrong' because your senses/judgement becomes dumbed down. Most people lack the ability to stop at one .. which is why most religions basically have a no drinking policy .. slippery slope and all.
 
PKM said:
My opinion. The bible warns of drunkeness .. being a drunkard.

My belief is that having a glass of wine is okay, beyond that may become 'wrong' because your senses/judgement becomes dumbed down. Most people lack the ability to stop at one .. which is why most religions basically have a no drinking policy .. slippery slope and all.
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This reminds me of a Catholic church I drive past to and from work. They had a sign out front promoting a little music festival they were having. It said something like "Music, Friends & Beer".
 
Nate505 said:
The more interesting thing to me is that being intoxicated from a CNS depressant like booze is very socially acceptable, but being intoxicated off of anything is is a big no no. Even more bizarre is that being intoxicated off a CNS depressant like booze is ok, but any other sort of depressant (valium, other benzodiazepines) is a no no as well. Most people hide behind the legality of the different drugs, but I think it goes deeper than that. For instance, people's obnoxious/violent behavior seems to get excused when they are drunk, but not when they are stoned/high/intoxicated/etc. off of any other drug.

I've also wondered if they just put booze into a pill and essentially made it something like valium if people would be horrified, as I do believe the method of ingestion seems to matter to a lot of people. Frankly that would be the only way I could stomach booze myself.
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Do you have to do this in every thread about booze, sex, Kris Humphries, nutritional food, exercise regiments, healthcare, mickey mouse, & Lindsey Lohan? Every single thread?
 
I honestly don't know about the wine that Jesus drank. When he was being crucified he refused "vinger mingled with gall", which some people interpret to mean that he did not want to be "inebriated" in the slightest form so as to suffer the full amount and truly make his atonement infinite.

Having said that, I am convinced that a small amount of alcohol on a conservative basis is not unhealthy for you. However, I believe that Latter-day Saints are admonished to abstain from alcohol in the event that it could potentially ruin their lives. I'm not saying that alcohol is in the same league as cocaine, but as Aaron Sorkin once said, "You know how I got addicted to cocaine? I tried it". I think some people (a lot of people) are born with addictive personalities, and some things in life are inherently addictive. Thus The Church admonishes its members to abstain from alcohol/addictive substances as somewhat of a safety precaution.

Same thing can be said about gambling. Sure there are people who can withdraw $100 and head to Wendover and call it quits when the $100 is gone, but some people can't stop and they will literally end up ruining their own lives as well as those close to them.

You never take that first drink, or you never place that first bet at the blackjack table and guess what? You'll never be a drunk and you'll never be a degenerate gambler who's got it in with the mob.
 
Well, as you said OP, Jesus drank wine and look where it got him. He ran with a bunch of hooligans and ended up getting the death penalty for causing problems. Just imagine what Jesus could have accomplished if he had stayed sober.
 
I see drinking in the church as being a socially acceptable form of moving onto to other forms of so-called sin.
So they obviously abstain from the gateway to sin I guess.

Then again, they also are supposed to abstain from caffeine.

But wait..... that's ok as long as you're shoveling your mouth with McDonalds trans fats and guzzling a 64 ounce Mountain Dew.
 
Funny how there's not a 'word of wisdom' stipulation on fast food, growth hormone in meat, and pesticides on produce.
Must be wholesome.
 
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