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One Brow said:
Which other forms of income might be relevant? Wynn referred to wages and bonues, I added in captial gains. Do you think he makes a lot in tips? Also, since when is noting hyperbole the same as "siding against him"?



You are correct that, at the time of post 402086, I had not read the letter. I did read it before making post 402106.





Which of the seven deadly sins is "polarizing rhetoric", again? In what way is Obama's rhetoric polarizing? Please be specific about how Obama is trying to divide, rather than unite. I don't hear Obama saying the rich are the problem, I hear him asking them to help the country out.
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My apologies for misreading you and being rude.

It's so hard for me to see things through your filter that I'm having a hard time coming up with a response to the way I see Obama. I would love nothing more than a controlling s.o.b like FDR to push the reset button in this country but I see absolutely none of that in Obama. What you see as compromise, I see as a commie selling out to big insurance, Wall Street, and enviro special interest money. His command style preferences are doing everything for the connected businesses and nothing for labor. That H.C. bill was meant to make American businesses more competitive because they think our wages are too high relative to foreigners. Someone has to pay for it though, and it isn't the mega-corporations. We wouldn't be having this higher taxes discussion if they crammed that through in the first bill. If they had then Obama would be campaigning on his record rather than "just give me four more years".
 
mellow said:
Well I'm convinced that one Brow is actually a chatterbot. Whomever programed it was attempting to frustrate people by employing a number of logical fallicies and loose reasoning.
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It's true that I don't always spell out my reasoning. However, I don't think you're capable of pointing out logical fallicies generally, much from me based on your posting history. You're very good at making bold statements, but very poor at backing them up. To some people, that makes you seem smart. I'm not one of them.

mellow said:
If all other inputs fail to register, it simply spits out 'racist'. As a machine it has no sense of humour, or tact and has difficulty recognizing sarcasm.
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I have freely acknowledged my humor-impairment in the past. I find your pretense of superiority pretty funny, though. Was that intentional or sarcasm?

By the way, that's a great way to dodge responsibilityfor your own words and attitudes. Surely, seeing racism must be my problem. Very few people are really racist. Sure, they pay equally qualified blacks less money. They steer equally qualified blacks into less fruitful jobs. Yes, there are empirical studies verifying both of these, were the resumes in question were identical. But that's no reason to think racism is involved, because all of these people think blacks should have equal rights. It's only racism when overt discrimination is involved. I know that because a bunch of white people tell it to me regularly.

So, by all means, don't consider how your own emotions and reactions to race generally may be shaping your opinion of Obama specificlly. You can't be at fault, it's everyone judging you by your words that's mistaken. Just like the poor, picked on boy at this school, taken out of class as an act of bullying by some oversenswitive girl. he's the real victim, just like you.

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mellow said:
I am now ignoring ELIZA. Thank jazzfanz for the ignore switch.
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Thank JazzFanz for the ability to loudly proclaim the unworthiness of the people you have on ignore. It's much harder to identify self-important, immature ignoramuses without them leaving such messages.
 
franklin said:
My apologies for misreading you and being rude.
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I didn't interpet anything you wrote as being rude (that does along with being humor-challenged, at least for me). I accept your apology, though.

franklin said:
What you see as compromise, I see as a commie selling out to big insurance, Wall Street, and enviro special interest money.
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I don't think he was ever a "commie". What you see as someone who was radical and sold out, I see as someone who has always been further left in rhetoric than in proposal, and has been that was since his state senate days. I remeber reading various blogs four years ago saying that Obama had been, and would continue to be, centrist. Although, I many of those people have been disappointed over his record on civil liberties, which is thoroughly rightist.
 
One Brow said:
I disagree that Democrats are failing to follow the Constitution.
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Well on the Dem side we can think of the NDAA, and of course on the Rep side we can think of all provisions of The Patriot Act.
Doesn't really matter, and that's why I will never vote for either.


One Brow said:
According to most independent economists who study the issue. maybe they've forgotten about all the taxes you mention.
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Many independent economists do not believe that these charges are actual taxes, whereas Ron Paul supporters live in the real world and continue to incur a lower standard of living everyday because of them.
 
The Thriller said:
This is extremely subjective. On one hand the TP has called for a more limited fed government economically and environmentally. It is still debatable whether that's even a good thing! However, I still see the TP wanting to mess with social issues and calling for even greater government intervention. And they still are addicted to their old folks entitlements. As for foreign affairs? The TP is calling for even greater American influence and intervention in the world. Not only was this left undefined in the Constitution and thus (by default) unconstitutional, but also goes against the warnings of some of the greatest leaders we had at the time the Constitution was written.

Where were their concerns over 8 years? They were silent under Bush and then suddenly became vocal once Obama was elected. This raises concerns over their true intentions and motives.
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I'm not defending this modern era Tea Party movement, considering the mainstream Republican party hijacked the original grassroots Tea Party that Ron Paul supporters founded years ago.

Of course Republicans were silent under Bush....
It's all political theater, and the Democrats and Republicans are the puppets.
They don't have true intentions and motives, because big corporations and the military industrial complex bought off both parties many years ago.



The Thriller said:
I think in some cases we definitely need to cut government and "return" to the Constitution (NCLB, foreign affairs, Pat Act, PBS funding, etc). On other issues, we need MORE government intervention (Regulate WS, break up the big banks, health care).
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Haven't we already tried MORE government intervention in WS, the big banks, health care??
The government has shown absolutely no loyalty to the people of this country, and absolute coalition with all of Wall Street, too big to fail banks, and health insurance companies.
Do you actually think that an Obama administration with more than half of it's cabinet being former Wall Street insiders/lobbyists is going to do anything about the corruption of said WS?
As well can be said of Romney before he probably wins, and will most definitely pick a cabinet of mostly WS, big bank, and health care industry lobbyists and insiders.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
Well on the Dem side we can think of the NDAA, and of course on the Rep side we can think of all provisions of The Patriot Act.
Doesn't really matter, and that's why I will never vote for either.




Many independent economists do not believe that these charges are actual taxes, whereas Ron Paul supporters live in the real world and continue to incur a lower standard of living everyday because of them.
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Then thank God I am not a Ron Paul supporter or I would be down in the gutter with the rest of you...
 
My guess is that Biden will come out with the plan to calmly attack Ryan and try to get him flustered. Once Ryan withstands the inititial assault, Biden will become frothy at the mouth and start spitting out some of the doozies that we all know and love. GG
 
Scorpjazz said:
My guess is that Biden will come out with the plan to calmly attack Ryan and try to get him flustered. Once Ryan withstands the inititial assault, Biden will become frothy at the mouth and start spitting out some of the doozies that we all know and love. GG
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Biden will want to attack Romney instead of Ryan, directly. He'll say early and loudly to the audience that while Romney told 70 million Americans that his healthcare plan would cover people with preexisting conditions, Romney made it known after the debate, to a few reporters, that he was mistaken and his plan doesn't actually cover people with preexisting conditions.

With Ryan, Biden must make him own up to the Ryan plan and let the American people know exactly what that is all about. Particularly saying goodbye to the homeowners tax credit and ending Medicare.

So attack Romney all night and when you deal with Ryan directly, do it factually and be careful of tone when addressing Ryan as Biden must not make him sympathetic. But let loose on Romney. Call him a liar directly and often. Ensure you bring down Romney's performance in the previous debate by pointing out over and over again the number of lies that he told.

Having said that, I'm pulling for Ryan to destroy.
 
PKM said:
Biden will want to attack Romney instead of Ryan, directly. He'll say early and loudly to the audience that while Romney told 70 million Americans that his healthcare plan would cover people with preexisting conditions, Romney made it known after the debate, to a few reporters, that he was mistaken and his plan doesn't actually cover people with preexisting conditions.

With Ryan, Biden must make him own up to the Ryan plan and let the American people know exactly what that is all about. Particularly saying goodbye to the homeowners tax credit and ending Medicare.

So attack Romney all night and when you deal with Ryan directly, do it factually and be careful of tone when addressing Ryan as Biden must not make him sympathetic. But let loose on Romney. Call him a liar directly and often. Ensure you bring down Romney's performance in the previous debate by pointing out over and over again the number of lies that he told.

Having said that, I'm pulling for Ryan to destroy.
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Wow I thought I was reading MSNBC until the last line, lol. Could have sworn it was Ed Schultz.
 
PKM said:
Biden will want to attack Romney instead of Ryan, directly. He'll say early and loudly to the audience that while Romney told 70 million Americans that his healthcare plan would cover people with preexisting conditions, Romney made it known after the debate, to a few reporters, that he was mistaken and his plan doesn't actually cover people with preexisting conditions.

With Ryan, Biden must make him own up to the Ryan plan and let the American people know exactly what that is all about. Particularly saying goodbye to the homeowners tax credit and ending Medicare.

So attack Romney all night and when you deal with Ryan directly, do it factually and be careful of tone when addressing Ryan as Biden must not make him sympathetic. But let loose on Romney. Call him a liar directly and often. Ensure you bring down Romney's performance in the previous debate by pointing out over and over again the number of lies that he told.

Having said that, I'm pulling for Ryan to destroy.
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I fully expect Biden to hold onto the typical talking points, not really uncovering his agenda but staying on course.

Ryan may destroy, but it's up to people to see what should be obvious.
Biden is the lesser of two evils..... at least at first glance.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
Wow, so you actually drink?
I was beginning to think McDonalds and Subway were you're only drug of choice.
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In my day I'd have embarrassed your ***. But I'm avoiding drinking for personal reasons.


I like Quiznos and Wendy's better.

Dumbass
 
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