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spycam1 said:
I'm not sure I agree. MSNBC had a group of eight undecided voters (good balance of age, race, and gender) brought in before the debate and asked them afterwords if the debate caused them to lean one way or the other. Four of the eight said they'll now be voting for Obama, one said for Romney, three remained undecided. This is obviously a very small sample, but more of them made a decision tonight than I would have expected. I'm just not sure we should jump to conclusions about the affect the VP debate had on undecided voters. Things are close enough at this point that I think every little thing counts.
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Wow, really?! MSNBC? The "undecideds" on MSNBC said they were going to vote for Obama? I never would have guessed that... (sarcasm off) Just out of curiosity, did they have 8 "undecideds" watch the first Obama debate?
 
 
Surely said:
Wow, really?! MSNBC? The "undecideds" on MSNBC said they were going to vote for Obama? I never would have guessed that... (sarcasm off) Just out of curiosity, did they have 8 "undecideds" watch the first Obama debate?
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MSNBC said Romney won the first debate in a landslide. They lean left, but they don't lie and make **** up.
 
Stoked said:
Andrea Mitchell wants to know if you forgot about things like WaWa sandwiches and https://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/01/Media-Watch-Scarborough
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I'm not sure why you're posting this. Some right wing nutjob website disagreed with an MSNBC story, and it's newsworthy?

The link you posted said the guy (and I don't even know who he is, if he works for MSNBC he is certainly not one of the big names) stood by his claim that MSNBC did nothing wrong. Their beef seems to be that MSNBC added a subtitle to an otherwise undoctored video.

So this right wing nutjob website, who themselves has been known to make **** up on several occasions in the past, claims that MSNBC added a subtitle to an otherwise undoctored video. Wow that MSNBC must have like no credibility, man. Lol, give me a break.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I'm not sure why you're posting this. Some right wing nutjob website disagreed with an MSNBC story, and it's newsworthy?

The link you posted said the guy (and I don't even know who he is, if he works for MSNBC he is certainly not one of the big names) stood by his claim that MSNBC did nothing wrong. Their beef seems to be that MSNBC added a subtitle to an otherwise undoctored video.

So this right wing nutjob website, who themselves has been known to make **** up on several occasions in the past, claims that MSNBC added a subtitle to an otherwise undoctored video. Wow that MSNBC must have like no credibility, man. Lol, give me a break.
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So the fact that they have been busted for intentionally editing videos to mislead does not damage their credibility with you? Good to know that I no onger need to consider your opinion and media bias and honesty.
 
Stoked said:
So the fact that they have been busted for intentionally editing videos to mislead does not damage their credibility with you? Good to know that I no onger need to consider your opinion and media bias and honesty.
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They have not been busted for "intentionally editing videos to mislead." Some right wing nutjob website, who themselves HAS been busted for intentionally editing videos to mislead, several times now, claims that MSNBC put a subtitle on an otherwise unedited video.

Stop the presses! MSNBC may have added a subtitle to video! Lol
 
I'd think that, you two being the same person and all, you guys should be able to find more commonality.
 
PKM said:
You also cannot simply post a 1000 page narrative on a website for Americans to NOT read but your competition to pick apart. These guys are not wingin it. Not Romney, not Obama, but to think they don't have a plan is absurd .. to think they can accurately and responsibly articulate their plan in a few minutes is equally absurd .. we Americans should demand change from within.
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It takes less than a minute to name the top five areas from which they would save money. Also, supporters can read websites, as well, and use it to respond to critics.

I think it is a tactical error to give no specifics at all. What I see happening is the tax cuts beign put in, but all the proposed savings get whittled down, and the deficit ballons even more, if you don't make the whole thing a single package before the voters.
 
One Brow said:
It takes less than a minute to name the top five areas from which they would save money. Also, supporters can read websites, as well, and use it to respond to critics.

I think it is a tactical error to give no specifics at all. What I see happening is the tax cuts beign put in, but all the proposed savings get whittled down, and the deficit ballons even more, if you don't make the whole thing a single package before the voters.
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I'm beginning to believe that perhaps I have simply grown to be generally distrusting of the average American's desire to educate themselves on even the most critical of issues.
I am lacking in faith for my fellow Americans to be willing to invest anymore time than the soundbite. I envision fewer than 2 - 4% ever reading more than one page of ideas .. much less search out the accuracy/integrity of what they just read.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I obvioulsy don't think so. That's why I'd like to see politicians deliver a plan, specific to 'our' needs, having been fact-checked prior to issuance for reading, and then have the proper time to deliver the non-fluff message.
 
I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the utter disdain Joe Biden displayed for the Iraqi people. Between that and his angry McCain act I've been more turned off to the hubris stance he took last night.
 
SaltyDawg said:
They have not been busted for "intentionally editing videos to mislead." Some right wing nutjob website, who themselves HAS been busted for intentionally editing videos to mislead, several times now, claims that MSNBC put a subtitle on an otherwise unedited video.

Stop the presses! MSNBC may have added a subtitle to video! Lol
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They have been called out numerous times for various videos and stories. If you refuse to accept that then fine. Cool.

That does not change the fact that it is blantant and an obvious distortion of the truth and in some cases lies. I provided you two cases (there are others if you cared enough to look). If you want to piss and moan and spin away then God bless. All it does is make you sound like a guy trying to say Fox is "fair and balanced".

I lead a horse to water type scenario.
 
franklin said:
I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the utter disdain Joe Biden displayed for the Iraqi people. Between that and his angry McCain act I've been more turned off to the hubris stance he took last night.
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I feel the same. The Libyan comments (laughter/it's all RR's fault) are worse, in retrospect, as well.

I still think Biden won, but based on politics more so than substance.
 
PKM said:
I feel the same. The Libyan comments (laughter/it's all RR's fault) are worse, in retrospect, as well.

I still think Biden won, but based on politics more so than substance.
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I think Biden and Ryan fired up the bases but that is about it. They each helped to fire up both bases. Go look at reports oh how each side percieved the way they acted.
 
Stoked said:
They have been called out numerous times for various videos and stories. If you refuse to accept that then fine. Cool.

That does not change the fact that it is blantant and an obvious distortion of the truth and in some cases lies. I provided you two cases (there are others if you cared enough to look). If you want to piss and moan and spin away then God bless. All it does is make you sound like a guy trying to say Fox is "fair and balanced".

I lead a horse to water type scenario.
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I only saw the one (already discredited website upset about the subtitle). And that one has no relevance to me at all. I have no problem with NSNBC adding a subtitle to an otherwise unedited video (and playing the audio with it).

What was the other one?
 
franklin said:
I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the utter disdain Joe Biden displayed for the Iraqi people. Between that and his angry McCain act I've been more turned off to the hubris stance he took last night.
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I wanted Ryan to just stop talking--look at Biden dead in the eye and say...

"Joe, how do you see humor in Ambassadors getting killed by terrorists, the economy in a complete rut and the deficit blowing out of control. You may find it funny and laugh and smile--but I take this stuff pretty seriously--and so does my Partner Governor Romney and virtually everyone else in this country."

Condescension and arrogance aren't typically the cornerstones of developing a working relationship. Wouldn't surprise me to see this point made in the next few days by the Romney camp.
 
PKM said:
I wanted Ryan to just stop talking--look at Biden dead in the eye and say...

"Joe, how do you see humor in Ambassadors getting killed by terrorists, the economy in a complete rut and the deficit blowing out of control. You may find it funny and laugh and smile--but I take this stuff pretty seriously--and so does my Partner Governor Romney and virtually everyone else in this country."

Condescension and arrogance aren't typically the cornerstones of developing a working relationship. Wouldn't surprise me to see this point made in the next few days by the Romney camp.
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He was smiling and laughing because Ryan was lying. It was the "malarkey" signal.
 
SaltyDawg said:
He was smiling and laughing because Ryan was lying. It was the "malarkey" signal.
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Perhaps, but I still wish Ryan would have done what I outlined above. Maybe that's the approach Biden should have taken rather than finding such humor in it all.
Just swap Ryan and Biden's names into what I said and replace laughing with lying and it works beautifully. Don't ya think, ScaltyDoked?
 
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