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AKMVP said:
That has nothing to do with your idiotic remarks about " how religion makes people better". Looking at Israel and Palestine now tells opposite. You bringing Cuba and N.Korea to this discussion is absolutely ridiculous. Go dig for better arguments. On the other hand , do not waste time, you lost that discussion long time ago.
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I expect you to think I lost due to your irrationality.
 
One Brow said:
Communism is a religion in every way except for the belief in the supernatural. Let me know when you find a non-Communist example.
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Hitler's Germany. Read Hitlers Table talk in which Martin Bormann himself says that Hitler was an atheist. Mussonlini's Italy.

Also by admitting that communism is like religion you are conceding that atheism can act just as bad as the worst of religions...
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Adolf Hitler. Read Hitlers Table talk in which Martin Bormann himself says that Hitler was an atheist.
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And others say he was a Christian or a cultist.

Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work."
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Gameface said:
And others say he was a Christian or a cultist.
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Martin Bormann is Hitlers private secretary...

Also in Mein Kampf Hitler said not to be afraid to lie to get what you want. I am not debating what Hitler pretended to be. Hitlers closest comrades including his private secretary said that hitler wanted to destroy the Church after he won the war.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Martin Bormann is Hitlers private secretary...

Also in Mein Kampf Hitler said not to be afraid to lie to get what you want. I am not debating what Hitler pretended to be. Hitlers closest comrades including his private secretary said that hitler wanted to destroy the Church after he won the war.
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There are many religious people who don't really believe in the religious mysticism they claim to believe in. That's doesn't really make them atheists. Hitler claimed to be religious and wanted to exterminate a certain religious population but not all religious people. Sounds faith based to me.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Hitler's Germany.
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Hitler was not an atheist. Further, Nazi Germany was not an atheist state, and generally critical of atheism..

The Black Swordsman said:
Read Hitlers Table talk in which Martin Bormann himself says that Hitler was an atheist.
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Which version? Why should I take the word of Bormann over every other witness, including Hitler himself, who have said that Hitler was not a traditional Christian, but certainlyh held religious beliefs?

The Black Swordsman said:
Mussonlini's Italy.
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Mussolini made statements that he was and was not an atheist, at varoius times. Again, Italy was not an atheist state under Mussolini.

The Black Swordsman said:
Also by admitting that communism is like religion you are conceding that atheism can act just as bad as the worst of religions...
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Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. performed no massacres solely in the name of atheism. Let me know when you find one who did.
 
One Brow said:
Hitler was not an atheist. Further, Nazi Germany was not an atheist state, and generally critical of atheism..



Which version? Why should I take the word of Bormann over every other witness, including Hitler himself, who have said that Hitler was not a traditional Christian, but certainlyh held religious beliefs?



Mussolini made statements that he was and was not an atheist, at varoius times. Again, Italy was not an atheist state under Mussolini.



Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. performed no massacres solely in the name of atheism. Let me know when you find one who did.
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It is painfully obvious you have never read the communist manifesto which is influenced by ideas directly because of atheism.
 
I gave you pos rep by mistake. Just think of it as neg rep.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
It is painfully obvious you have never read the communist manifesto which is influenced by ideas directly because of atheism.
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The point of communism is not to destroy religion. Religion gets in the way of communist regimes ability to completely control their societies so they reject religion so that they can eliminate obedience to religious leaders.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
It is painfully obvious you have never read the communist manifesto which is influenced by ideas directly because of atheism.
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"Influenced by"? Every religious book that as ever been published has been "influenced by" by people who did not believe in the god being promoted. Weasel words do not impress.

Communism proposed a non-supernatural fantasy. It's not atheism, or even atheism-plus. It's based in unreality.
 
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