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Game #39 Jazz at Pistons 5:30 Mtn.

Watson brought back in and gave up 3 layups and clanked a 20 footer. Also picked up his dribble on our half and gave it to Gordon to get it across mid court in 4 seconds.

Oh yeah... That was the last 2 minutes of the game only!
 
Stoked said:
I really didn't get a chance to watch tonight or last nights game. Why in God's green earth has Kanter only played 7 and 8 minutes. What the hell?
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Well kanter didn't miss a single shot, jefferson and sap both played major minutes just last night....... I guess ty is just an idiot?
 
Cope said:
Watson brought back in and gave up 3 layups and clanked a 20 footer. Also picked up his dribble on our half and gave it to Gordon to get it across mid court in 4 seconds.

Oh yeah... That was the last 2 minutes of the game only!
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I'm glad Watson has become the most universally hated player on the team. I've been on the hate wagon since last year.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
He brought in a ball handler and a guy who was playing well (not to mention free throw shooter) when Detroit went all out press.
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So corbin wanted more ball handlers and he took burks out?... That doesn't make any sense when burks is one of the better ball handlers on the team. Seems like he should have taken a bad ball handler out of the game and bring in watson instead of take a good ball handler out to bring in watson.
 
billyshelby said:
On offense, we basically won that game on post Iso's. We can win that way, but not very often. Some nice interior passing between Al and Sap put a little shine on the turd, but it's ridiculous how many possessions we have that don't even sniff a shot for 18 seconds.

We never get easy shots on O. We look best when guys like Burks, or even Foye, just create a shot on the perimeter (not that I'm advocating for Foye.) We run almost no PnR, we never cut, and 80% of our sets look like this: (Very labored) pass into the post -- double -- pass out to the high 2/3 on the perimeter -- said 2/3 has nothing to do with the ball because we're not running anything off the ball.
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What just blows my mind is that we don't even start an offense until like 14 or 12 seconds with Earl in. He is so slow to start the offense.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I'm glad Watson has become the most universally hated player on the team. I've been on the hate wagon since last year.
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This is true... repped.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I'm glad Watson has become the most universally hated player on the team. I've been on the hate wagon since last year.
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It's tough because I still like Watson the person, but I thought the same thing since last year as well. He's our 3rd best PG and should've been behind Tinsley the entire last season and this season.
 
fishonjazz said:
Did you see how well it worked?

Jazz were up by double digits, and then corbin made subs. Next thing ya know jazz are up 2.

Explain to me what watson did well there at the end
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Jazz were up nine when subs were made. I didn't see the first play, but it was a shot clock beating miss. Detroit scores on the same play three times and the Jazz played it the same way each time for some reason. Watson went over the top and not good enough help inside.

Foye turned it over, and Hayward turned it over.

You guys already made up your mind on things. If same thing would have happened with Burks, Foye, Hayward, you would have blasted Corbin for not bringing a point guard back in.

Pistons went full blown press before the timeout was made. History suggests Foye and Burks are not good at bringing the ball down the court on a press, so bringing a point guard back into the game seems like a pretty smart move, actually. Watson made the mistake of passing it out to Hayward on Hayward's turnover, but he didn't turn it over.
 
dipship31 said:
It's tough because I still like Watson the person, but I thought the same thing since last year as well. He's our 3rd best PG and should've been behind Tinsley the entire last season and this season.
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I always thought Tinsley was better ever since he got the minutes when Earl went down the 1st time last year. Then I started to actually dislike Earl when the twitter comments came out that he would "talk to his agent" about being upset over playing time.
 
fishonjazz said:
So corbin wanted more ball handlers and he took burks out?... That doesn't make any sense when burks is one of the better ball handlers on the team. Seems like he should have taken a bad ball handler out of the game and bring in watson instead of take a good ball handler out to bring in watson.
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Not against pressure he's not. Way too loose with the ball. Easy to see that watching him. Hayward is similar. Hopefully teams don't pick up on that.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I always thought Tinsley was better ever since he got the minutes when Earl went down the 1st time last year. Then I started to actually dislike Earl when the twitter comments came out that he would "talk to his agent" about being upset over playing time.
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Gotta love the "he says one thing I don't like so I can ignore the twenty good things."
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Jazz were up nine when subs were made. I didn't see the first play, but it was a shot clock beating miss. Detroit scores on the same play three times and the Jazz played it the same way each time for some reason. Watson went over the top and not good enough help inside.

Foye turned it over, and Hayward turned it over.

You guys already made up your mind on things. If same thing would have happened with Burks, Foye, Hayward, you would have blasted Corbin for not bringing a point guard back in.

Pistons went full blown press before the timeout was made. History suggests Foye and Burks are not good at bringing the ball down the court on a press, so bringing a point guard back into the game seems like a pretty smart move, actually. Watson made the mistake of passing it out to Hayward on Hayward's turnover, but he didn't turn it over.
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I don't feel any more confident having Earl bring up the ball opposed to Burks/Foye. I would agree bringing in a point guard who can protect the ball and get it over the half court line, but Earl isn't him.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Jazz were up nine when subs were made. I didn't see the first play, but it was a shot clock beating miss. Detroit scores on the same play three times and the Jazz played it the same way each time for some reason. Watson went over the top and not good enough help inside.

Foye turned it over, and Hayward turned it over.

You guys already made up your mind on things. If same thing would have happened with Burks, Foye, Hayward, you would have blasted Corbin for not bringing a point guard back in.

Pistons went full blown press before the timeout was made. History suggests Foye and Burks are not good at bringing the ball down the court on a press, so bringing a point guard back into the game seems like a pretty smart move, actually. Watson made the mistake of passing it out to Hayward on Hayward's turnover, but he didn't turn it over.
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Wrong..... i would not have blasted corbin for going with what was working, that would have been the right thing to do.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Gotta love the "he says one thing I don't like so I can ignore the twenty good things."
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Well when that one bad thing contradicts those 20 things you said before, it kind of does let me ignore them.

I specifically remember a tweet that came out during the start of the season when Earl and Harris split the minutes 24/24 for PG, it was something along the lines of "We don't care who gets the minutes, we are all good PG's who want to win".
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Not against pressure he's not. Way too loose with the ball. Easy to see that watching him. Hayward is similar. Hopefully teams don't pick up on that.
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No you idiot what i was saying is that he could have brought watson in AND kept burks in since they are both better ball handlers than foye, carroll, evans, jeffy, favors, millsap, murphy, or hayward.
Removing burks doesn't make sense.
 
JJAS said:
I understand the ball handler a little, but that can kill a players confidence if you take him out for one mistake even when he's having a great game. What I don't understand is Favors coming out. When Al was doing well, Knight was in as PG and not getting the dribble penetration that Bynum was. Burks actually did a better job on Bynum than Watson did, I might add. Bynum starts tearing us a new one the second both of those guys came in. Corbin is craven and simply falls back to the vets when he feels the pressure. As a contrast example, Rick Carlisle kept a very weird line-up in during the final game of the NBA Playoffs that was a good matchup that he hadn't played a ton throughout the series (it was something like Barea, Terry and no Dirk). He kept them in way longer than I would have imagined, and they went on a huge run. This was in the biggest game of his life and was not afraid to go with what was working. Corbin is cowardly for the most part, and that is one of the major reasons we lose.
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Bringing Jefferson back in was kind of eh, but Jefferson was +15 in the second half up to that point, so, again, not that egregious.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Well when that one bad thing contradicts those 20 things you said before, it kind of does let me ignore them.

I specifically remember a tweet that came out during the start of the season when Earl and Harris split the minutes 24/24 for PG, it was something along the lines of "We don't care who gets the minutes, we are all good PG's who want to win".
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It doesn't contradict. Not sure why you'd think that.
 
fishonjazz said:
No you idiot what i was saying is that he could have brought watson in AND kept burks in since they are both better ball handlers than foye, carroll, evans, jeffy, favors, millsap, murphy, or hayward.
Removing burks doesn't make sense.
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So who does he take out? Hayward? That would have gone over just as well, eh? I don't think taking out a big is useful in that situation, either.
 
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