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Millsap for Bledsoe?

billyshelby said:
I'd do it at the last second. But I'm not talking about a straight swap.

They want Sap. The talk is the Jazz might have to send back Burks along with Sap. I'd swap out Hayward for Burks in that scenario, but then try to steal the leverage back. But no matter what the final package looks like, I'd much rather give up Hayward to get Bledsoe than Burks.
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No way we're letting go of Hayward. Did you see last night's game??

Millsap and a pick. Take it or we pick Burke in the draft.
 
fallenchicken said:
How do you value Burks over Hayward? I'm genuinely curious--what's the thought process?
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Burks is going to be the better pro. Hayward is not an all star caliber player and never will be. He's a 3rd option on offense, a great glue guy, a bit like AK. But Burks has a few rare NBA skills that are just starting to show themselves. He's going to be a great driver in this league and a much better scorer.
 
billyshelby said:
Burks is going to be the better pro. Hayward is not an all star caliber player and never will be. He's a 3rd option on offense, a great glue guy, a bit like AK. But Burks has a few rare NBA skills that are just starting to show themselves. He's going to be a great driver in this league and a much better scorer.
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I hope your right about burks being great. But you are wrong about Hayward. Dude is good now. He at least be a 2x all star
 
So has everyone pretty much given up on this? I've been super excited the last few days, but with no new reports, Millsap at practice today after talking to Lindsey, etc. I'm starting to give up hope. But if Lindsey told Millsap he wasnt going anywhere why would he not tell everyone so I can get on with my life? Hahaha
 
Jazzfan0124 said:
So has everyone pretty much given up on this? I've been super excited the last few days, but with no new reports, Millsap at practice today after talking to Lindsey, etc. I'm starting to give up hope. But if Lindsey told Millsap he wasnt going anywhere why would he not tell everyone so I can get on with my life? Hahaha
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Still have hope, but I"m prepared for the worst.
 
Beantown said:
Is there a link to a reliable source claiming the Clips want Burks?.....and giving up Hayward is not an option. Dumb Dumb Dumb.
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It was in an Insider article. I suspect it has to do with cap math.

A straight Millsap for Bledsoe/Butler has the Jazz take on an additional $1.1 million in salary for this season. If you put Burks and Turiaf in the deal it turns into a $200k take-on of salary for the Clippers instead.
 
I want Bledsoe. I’d be excited if we made the trade. However, I would not be too disappointed if we didn’t. I’m not positive that Bledsoe is my top choice for our future PG.

Should we stand pat at the deadline, our depth chart looks (…or should) like this the rest of the way:

PG: Williams/Burks/Tinsley
SG: Foye/Burks/Hayward
SF: Hayward/Carroll/Marvin
PF: Millsap/Favors/Marvin
C: Jefferson/Kanter/Favors

That team should cruise to the playoffs. Come this offseason, I’d like us to re-sign Sap, Mo, and Foye, and let Al walk. Then we package our two firsts and draft Burke or McCollum (my preference is McCollum).

Next season, our lineup looks like this:

PG: Williams/McCollum
SG: Burks/Foye
SF: Hayward/Marvin
PF: Millsap/Favors
C: Favors/Kanter

…that’s a damn good top nine without ANY additional FA acquisitions or players traded for, which is incredibly unlikely given the cap flexibility we’ll have after we let Al walk. Plus, we’d open up lots of PT for every member of the big 4 and (hopefully) have our PG of the future learning behind Mo for a season or two.

It’s not sexy, but it’s a pretty sound and executable plan to build towards the next few years. I’d be really happy if this played itself out.


…having said that, let’s go get Bledsoe.
 
Sirkickyass said:
It was in an Insider article. I suspect it has to do with cap math.

A straight Millsap for Bledsoe/Butler has the Jazz take on an additional $1.1 million in salary for this season. If you put Burks and Turiaf in the deal it turns into a $200k take-on of salary for the Clippers instead.
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So the notion is we give up Burks because we don't want to take on an additional 1.1M in salary this year or 1.3M difference? Dumb.
 
I can't believe Billy is down on Hayward. The guy has a lot of skills. The shot is getting deadly, he can create, he can pass, he can drive, and is good finishing on the break. The guy is amazing at video games. I'm sure he's even great in bed at this point. What's not to love?
 
bigmike said:
I want Bledsoe. I’d be excited if we made the trade. However, I would not be too disappointed if we didn’t. I’m not positive that Bledsoe is my top choice for our future PG.

Should we stand pat at the deadline, our depth chart looks (…or should) like this the rest of the way:

PG: Williams/Burks/Tinsley
SG: Foye/Burks/Hayward
SF: Hayward/Carroll/Marvin
PF: Millsap/Favors/Marvin
C: Jefferson/Kanter/Favors

That team should cruise to the playoffs. Come this offseason, I’d like us to re-sign Sap, Mo, and Foye, and let Al walk. Then we package our two firsts and draft Burke or McCollum (my preference is McCollum).

Next season, our lineup looks like this:

PG: Williams/McCollum
SG: Burks/Foye
SF: Hayward/Marvin
PF: Millsap/Favors
C: Favors/Kanter

…that’s a damn good top nine without ANY additional FA acquisitions or players traded for, which is incredibly unlikely given the cap flexibility we’ll have after we let Al walk. Plus, we’d open up lots of PT for every member of the big 4 and (hopefully) have our PG of the future learning behind Mo for a season or two.

It’s not sexy, but it’s a pretty sound and executable plan to build towards the next few years. I’d be really happy if this played itself out.


…having said that, let’s go get Bledsoe.
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I really don't think that Favors is a natural Center. And we'd be using him wrong putting him there. Also, re signing Millsap means we probably can't resign the core four. once they hit their potential they will want a lot of money. I say get rid of Millsap and Jefferson. Preferably for a couple decent cheap backups. And of course, Bledsoe :)
 
Revolution 9 said:
I can't believe Billy is down on Hayward.
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Really? Billy only likes young athletes with upside. Feel for the game/bball IQ doesn't do anything for him for whatever reason. Dude was the biggest CJ supporter on the board for years. I'm surprised he's not a Sacramento Kings fan.
 
Damn.. looks like it's downhill from here guys...

@ESPNSteinLine Just under 20 hours left before trade deadline for stances to change, but mostly standing-pat rumbles coming from both Clipperland and Utah
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Brace yourselves for the worst outcome.

*Nothing*
 
Jazzfan0124 said:
Also, re signing Millsap means we probably can't resign the core four. once they hit their potential they will want a lot of money....And of course, Bledsoe :)
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Bledsoe won't want a lot of money?

If you can sign players to easily traded contracts, why dump them for nothing? Every fan banks on their young players turning into stars even though most don't.
 
The Los Angeles Clippers do not expect to make any trades before Thursday's NBA trade deadline, Clippers coach Vinny Del Negro said on Wednesday. "We feel good with our team right now," Del Negro said. "Nothing's changed from that aspect. Nothing has been presented to any of us that makes sense to do anything different right now. We're always available and always looking to make our team as strong as possible but right now we feel comfortable with our team."
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ESPN.com
 
GVC said:
That is far from the worst outcome.
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Of course not. I was meaning the worst outcome of the Bledsoe trade scenario.

We come out of this, we're still a strong team going forward. We have x2 draft picks, hopefully Burke is in their range. I like him a lot. So if we can't get Bledsoe - we go from Plan A to Plan A1.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Of course not. I was meaning the worst outcome of the Bledsoe trade scenario.

We come out of this, we're still a strong team going forward. We have x2 draft picks, hopefully Burke is in their range. I like him a lot. So if we can't get Bledsoe - we go from Plan A to Plan A1.
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Yes it would be a little disappointing but I could get back on the Burke bandwagon in less than 2 seconds.
 
I wonder what the hold up on LAC's end is. Do you think they're demanding Burks and/or Hayward as part of the deal? If so, they can go pound sand.

If it's a matter of 1st round picks...**** it, just do it. If we get Bledsoe, we don't need a 1st round pick this year as far as I'm concerned.
 
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