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Kirelenko in Trade talks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your actually very wrong about him being a product of Steve Nash. He was actually playing better with the bobacts than he was with the Suns. Look up his stats. And I have watched a lot of Bobcat basketball. They were one of the few teams from the east who set picks for each other and actually ran an offense. He was key for them in terms of keeping ball movement going and setting screens (one of the best at setting screens). He can easily fit into our offense.

The Bobcats were one of the worst offenses in the league last season. Once you account for differences in minutes and pace, Diaw's stats were significantly worse last season than they were in 2005-2006.

05-06: 15.0 p/40, 7.8 r/40, 7.0 a/40, 52.6% FG, 30.5 assist rate, 11.5 TO rate, 10.8 rebound rate

09-10: 12.7 p/40, 5.8 r/40, 4.5 a/40, 48.3% FG, 24.2 assist rate, 13.3 TO rate, 8.8 rebound rate

So yes, I looked up his stats and your conclusion is wrong.

FWIW, AK outperformed Diaw in every one of thsoe metrics except for a/40 and assist rate.

This is why AK had a PER of 18.25 and Diaw had one of 12.8. That delta of 5.4 is massive. It's the difference between Deron Williams and Raymond Felton or between Carlos Boozer and Charlie Villanueva.

PER is largely a measure of offensive achievement. For those you saying that Diaw is an upgrade or even with AK on the offensive end, you're simply mistaken. He hasn't been that player in five years.

That I love AK is no secret. Last season I came home from work early and ordered league pass before a game against the Sixers only because it had been announced that Deron and Price wouldn't play and there was a legitimate chance that AK would play some point guard.

He is the only player on the team, including Fesenko and Williams, who could have gotten a LP subscription out of me singlehandedly. If we move him solely for money then it entirely undoes all the goodwill the Millers got for the Jefferson deal as it is obvious that the team is designed to be profitable over winning. For all the credit the Millers got last season for "opening their wallets" the reality is that the Jazz did not appear on the list of teams that lost money in 2008-2009 and are not expected to appear on that list of teams in 2009-2010.

If this is the way they plan on running the team they should just sell it. Let the Huntsmans buy it or whomever else could step up.

The factor you all have not discussed yet but which makes deferring salary (because that's what the deal really does, since Diaw has roughly as much in aggregate value remaining on his contract as AK does it pushes those payments into a future date) particularly dumb in this scenario is the spectre of a new CBA in 2011. It's entirely possible that having cleared $17 million could be amazingly advantageous for that offseason. It's far less likely that clearing only $8 million for that season will be as competitively advantageous. It is extremely difficult, from the perspective of next year, to imagine a scenario in which it is more advantageous under a new CBA to be carrying a $9 million figure into next year.

It's a bad deal in the short term and it's a bad deal in the long term. If this happens, don't be shocked if one of Greg's off-road vehicles has its brake lines mysteriously cut.
 
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Jazz can't take back too many contracts. They would have to cut someone or lose someone like Ryan Thompson.
 
AK's biggest problem(other than injury) has been a lack of energy and focus.
He simply doesn't play hard all the time. When he does he usually makes a big impact on the game.

After sitting through so many average years we deserve to get him when he'll actually be giving a max effort.
 
Your actually very wrong about him being a product of Steve Nash. He was actually playing better with the bobacts than he was with the Suns. Look up his stats. And I have watched a lot of Bobcat basketball. They were one of the few teams from the east who set picks for each other and actually ran an offense. He was key for them in terms of keeping ball movement going and setting screens (one of the best at setting screens). He can easily fit into our offense.

As sirkickyass pointed out, your statement is waaaaaaaay wrong.
 
Maybe AK and his agent are playing dumb about the whole thing until everything is finalized. Could be big changes in the deal and nobody knows for sure who's going where.
 
As sirkickyass pointed out, your statement is waaaaaaaay wrong.
Just to give the full picture, Charlotte was a far inferior team; Diaw even played some center for them. Playing alongside Stoudemire (iffy difender as he is) and with Nash et al is a big boost. Problem with Diaw is that he's fat, and it's almost as tough to teach lean as it is to teach height. Long gone are the days that Diaw aspired to play point guard in the NBA. Maybe playing again on a winner will help, but Sloan will have to keep him away from Chuck-a-Rama (which is probably one of CJ's favorite places because it's an appropriate nickname).
 
Diaw has to know Jazz will expect him to get into shape quick and will be relentless about it.
 
Just when I started to believe that all those other salary-dump trades were flukes, and that this season the Jazz were fully committed to winning.

**** this news so hard.
 
Diaw has to know Jazz will expect him to get into shape quick and will be relentless about it.
. . . except that Kirilenko took years to really make any substantial improvement in his strength,
and Memo didn't seem to make much improvement in his conditioning during his Utah tenure. (The most important thing that Boozer had to do to improve was to put forth focus and effort on defense; he was in OK shape already for a 260-pounder.)

By contrast, the likes of Millsap and Deron took it upon themselves to get in shape.

Here's hoping that Big Al and Elder Hayward and Raja and Jeremy and Fesenko (if he signs) and Watson and Elson are doing / have done the same.
 
The Bobcats were one of the worst offenses in the league last season. Once you account for differences in minutes and pace, Diaw's stats were significantly worse last season than they were in 2005-2006.

05-06: 15.0 p/40, 7.8 r/40, 7.0 a/40, 52.6% FG, 30.5 assist rate, 11.5 TO rate, 10.8 rebound rate

09-10: 12.7 p/40, 5.8 r/40, 4.5 a/40, 48.3% FG, 24.2 assist rate, 13.3 TO rate, 8.8 rebound rate

So yes, I looked up his stats and your conclusion is wrong.

FWIW, AK outperformed Diaw in every one of thsoe metrics except for a/40 and assist rate.

This is why AK had a PER of 18.25 and Diaw had one of 12.8. That delta of 5.4 is massive. It's the difference between Deron Williams and Raymond Felton or between Carlos Boozer and Charlie Villanueva.


This dove tails into the fallacy of the "injury" argument. The injury argument is based on a the fallacy that future injuries are even remotely predictable. The game is chaos and random as are injuries. The only injuries that are suspect are those chronic in nature. Think the Harp knee that didn't stop the Jazz from flushing 6 million down the toilet. Would you rather have Williams for a random 65 games a year or 82 games or Ray Felton?

Furthermore, I am not cap expert but you aren't trading 18 million for 9 million, you are trading 18 million for 9 million this year plus QRoss plus whatever else comes back plus the additional trash you have signed (watson,Elson,etc) or are going to sign plus 9 million next year subtract whatever LT savings are projected. Not sure, but at least that is closer to the truth than what nonsense 1320 is pushing.

The upside is the Boris/Sloan mixture has wonderful upside potential.
 
Just when I started to believe that all those other salary-dump trades were flukes, and that this season the Jazz were fully committed to winning.

**** this news so hard.

Except all of the salary dumps were good moves. So is this one, if it happens.
 
No doubt everyone figures they can get more by haggling thru the weekend. No hurry.
Found this on Quinton Ross, the 2nd guy we'd be getting per the Sltrib, who I'm not very familiar with:
https://www.mahalo.com/quinton-ross
Says he's a defensive stopper, which just happens to be something we could use at the SG position... Sounds like KoC is maneuvering...
 
Sirkickyass has said everything and more that I want to say/reiterate. But I want to echo and add to what he said and Pearl said about finances. 1320 is reporting the ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM amount the Jazz could get, which would mean a record-level payout to non-LT payers for 2011 but also assumes there's a lockout for the 2011-2012 season. The reality is that the Jazz will be taking back more salary than just Diaw, the payout won't be that high AND THAT THERE'S ANOTHER YEAR OF DIAW'S SALARY, in addition to the fact that it likely makes the Jazz LESS flexible in the following year, not more. If Diaw himself was an expiring this would be a different conversation. But we don't know what impact that $9 million is going to have next year.

This whole thing stinks, top (Millers) to bottom (Locke). 1320 is nothing but a propagandha machine.

I have two hopes;
1) That this falls apart, or
2) That the Jazz have REALLY done their homework on this one and KNOW something the dissenters (most of us) don't.
 
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