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Kirelenko in Trade talks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But it's looking like this may not go thru now anyway. Which is better than losing that 17m expiring contract for freaking Boris Diaw.

If the trade does not go through, Jazz are a better team, and Miller has less money in the bank. I certainly prefer having a better team than Greg keeping more money this year. With that said, if the trade does go through, we are only a little worse off. AK is just not a difference maker to mourn his loss, and Diaw, as bad as his contract is, is a decent average player, almost like AK. So, it will be a just slight downgrade.

The good news is though that Denver will have a HUGE downgrade, and Anthony will be in the Eastern conference. Favors is nothing. He has proven nothing at all in any level. At his age Anthony was the best player in NCAA and won national title. Even Hayward accomplished more at that age than Favors. Favors was below average even by NCAA standards. He may never even become a good NBA player, not to mention a star. AK is not a difference maker either. If this trade goes through, we are pretty much back as division favorites for years to come. Nuggets from defending division champs become nuisance and will go back to crap of the franchise they were for decades before Anthony. This is a great news for us for years to come. If Denver ends up keeping Melo, they they are a force to be reckoned with this year, and who knows - if Melo stays for whatever reason (stranger things have happened), then they are a force for years to come. Hence, if this trade goes through, we are basically getting rid of main divisional rival for many years to come. So, just that alone is probably worth a slight downgrade from AK to Diaw.
 
Carmelo Anthony is continuing to push Denver to find a trade that will send him to the Knicks and has stepped back from a willingness to commit to the Nets. On Saturday, the Knicks were exploring ways to put together a package that might land Anthony.

Over the weekend, Anthony began having doubts about agreeing to a contract extension with the Nets. Yahoo! Sports reports that the four-team blockbuster that would send Anthony to New Jersey, which seemed to be gaining critical momentum on Friday night, is now at "a perilous crossroads."

Anthony’s desire to make a long-term commitment to the Nets started eroding when former Nets' players related their experiences with an empty arena, the apathy of fans, and the team playing in the shadow of the Knicks and Madison Square Garden. Anthony was already concerned about joining a team in New Jersey that would not be close to contention even with him on board.

"He’s having second thoughts on Jersey," a league source told Yahoo! Sports. "He’s pushed [Denver] to explore other options."

While the Nuggets still believe the deal with New Jersey gives them their best return, Denver engaged the Knicks on Saturday in discussions centered around Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph and Toney Douglas, according to sources.

Sources indicated that the Knicks are working to pry draft picks to send the Nuggets in a deal for Anthony, and have contacted the Rockets for this purpose. Before last season's trade deadline, the Knicks sent their 2012 first-round pick to Houston, and agreed to swap picks with the Rockets in 2011, in a move to dump the contract of Jared Jeffries.

Read more: https://basketball.realgm.com/src_w..._as_knicks_work_to_make_a_deal/#ixzz10eeLkYGh
 
Yeah I call BS on this as well.
Kevin O'Conner woud have to be crazy to sign Jefferson, and Bell.... Then go ahead and downgrade our defense by replacing our former All-star with another defensive weakling that can shoot the ball a little bit.

Geez, you are overrating AK. He was an All-star one year and that was five years ago. The young AK does not exist anymore except in your mind. AK got his big contract and stopped improving. Besides his ability to stay healthy is well documented and should be enough to get him traded.
 
Sweet... that deal was ****. I wanna know how in the hell, AK, who had been offered straight up for Vince Carter in the middle of his terrible max deal, gets offered for Diaw at the end... and we consider that.

It wasn't in in the middle of his max deal. Carter was going to become a free agent. It was an expiring contract for AK.
 
This deal is not dead. Denver is just doing its due diligence and making sure they can't get a better offer. I can't imagine them finding something better.

Denver is doing this to try and create panic on the nets side so they have leverage. Bulls won't trade Noah and the the Knicks don't have the pieces. Clippers shouldn't even be mentioned. Melo won't sign an extension there.
 
If we are not getting some draft picks out of this I don't see how we benefit enough on the court. There are some financial benefits but I hope that isn't enough.
 
So the Jazz trade for a small PG, who would be just a backup to DWill, who makes over 10 million?

As opposed to a small overweight PF who will be the 3rd string PF to Millsap and Jefferso when Memo gets back for the exact same money? I have to agree with Bentley here. Also Harris and Dwill can definitely play together.
 
Melo doesn't want to sign an extention unless it's the Knicks. So, the deal looks like it's dead unless Melo agrees to the extention.
 
If we are not getting some draft picks out of this I don't see how we benefit enough on the court. There are some financial benefits but I hope that isn't enough.

I agree with your comments. Diaw's contract actually hurts us more than helps us imo. Sure we'd fall below the luxury tax this year or would be extremely close which is obviously important to the Millers. From a purely financial perspective, they'd be better off. But would we be a better team on the court? No way in hell. We'd also be locked into this numbnut's contract next year so any outside shot we would have of going after a decent free agent next summer would go out the window, barring some trade of say Millsap. This makes no sense to me.
 
Melo doesn't want to sign an extention unless it's the Knicks. So, the deal looks like it's dead unless Melo agrees to the extention.

I was actually surprised Melo was so adamant about leaving Denver, but was willing to go to by far the worst team in the League. And not just that, but that team is also losing Harris and draft picks. Sure, Melo is an upgrade over Harris, but this was the worst team in the League, which did not really improve this summer at all. Seems like a poor decision on Melo's part, and looks like he now recognized it. What I don't get though is why Denver likes Nets offer so much more than the one from NY, who is offering Gallinari and Randolph. Gallinari seems like a far better prospect than Favors. He is just 22, and already had 15 and 5 year last year. Randolph got nearly 12 and 7 in just 23 mins last year, plus a couple of blocks to boot, and he is just 21. That seems much better than Favors plus a year loan of fading AK47.
 
Throwing around some trade ideas around

Jazz get: Anderson Varejao & Anthony Parker
Nuggets get: AK & Noah
Bulls get: Melo & Birdman
Cavs get: Luol Deng

I know Bulls said they wouldn't trade Noah for Melo but adding in Birdman I would think would help since they would still have a presence next to Boozer on defense.

It saves a lot of money still but gives us more talent.

D-Will - Watson - Price
Bell - Parker - Thompson
Miles - Hayward - Evans
Millsap - Varejao - Elson
Jefferson - Varejao - Elson - Okur

After trade team offers Fesenko a 2 Million a year deal and we let him go.

OR

Jazz get: Kirk Hinrich
Nuggets get: AK & Noah
Bulls get: Melo & Birdman
Wizards get: Luol Deng

Save as much as the Diaw trade.

D-Will - Hinrich - Watson
Bell - Hinrich - Thompson
Miles - Hayward - Evans
Millsap - Elson
Jefferson - Fesenko - Okur
 
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I agree with your comments. Diaw's contract actually hurts us more than helps us imo. Sure we'd fall below the luxury tax this year or would be extremely close which is obviously important to the Millers. From a purely financial perspective, they'd be better off. But would we be a better team on the court? No way in hell. We'd also be locked into this numbnut's contract next year so any outside shot we would have of going after a decent free agent next summer would go out the window, barring some trade of say Millsap. This makes no sense to me.

Where are you digging up enough CBA flexibility to go after anyone next offseason? The Jazz are stuck at any likely salary cap after this season with nothing more than AK's birdrights.
 
Where are you digging up enough CBA flexibility to go after anyone next offseason? The Jazz are stuck at any likely salary cap after this season with nothing more than AK's birdrights.

I'm not saying we'd have a ton of flexibility. But we'd have some. If we get Diaw, we have none and probably would end up trying to trade him or Millsap just to be able to (re-)sign guys to fill out the roster.
 
What's wrong with bringing in Diaw for a trial year? If he doesn't work out we can deal him, if he fits with the team we keep him for 1 more year.
 
Huh? The most likely scenario to this point is Ivan Drago for the Stay-Puf Marshmellow Monsieur (he's French).

Quite a difference.


My point was Jazzfanzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz like to bitch about small things.

Ivan Drago sucked btw. He was chemically enhanced to be a killer. Stay-Puf Marshellow Monsier could probably give a "clean" Ivan Drago a run for his money for about 9 million less.

We should trade AK and get some sour cream and onion chips with some dip, man, some beef jerky, some peanut butter. Get some Häagen-Dazs ice cream bars, a whole lot, make sure chocolate, gotta have chocolate, man. Some popcorn, red popcorn, graham crackers, graham crackers with marshmallows, the little marshmallows and little chocolate bars and we can make s'mores, man. Also, celery, grape jelly, Cap'n Crunch with the little Crunch berries, pizzas. We need two big pizzas, man, everything on 'em, with water, whole lotta water, and Funyons. Oh and get me a box of condoms, and, what was that thing we used to eat back in the day? What was it... oh yeah, pussycat!
 
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