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Kirelenko in Trade talks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As of Saturday afternoon, Carmelo Anthony was planning to fly to Denver on Sunday to be ready to begin training camp with the Nuggets on Monday.

With the teams still trying to work out the particulars of a four-way trade that could send Anthony to New Jersey, Anthony has yet to agree to sign a contract extension with the Nets. For their part, the Nuggets are not sure they want to accept the offer that is on the table.

Anthony could still decide to make a long-term commitment to New Jersey and end his time in Denver. But if he declines, the Nets would not agree to make the deal and, unless another trade materializes, Anthony will remain with the Nuggets.
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Source tells me re C.Anthony trade, everyone waiting on Nuggets, not Melo. Nothing expected to go down tonight. Sunday looks like key day.

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sorry, been away from twitter for awhile ... source summing up melo deal -- never can call it dead, but nothing imminent
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It seems like the trade is still the most likely option but the Nuggets are holding out to see if there are better offers on Sunday from another team.
 
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No. I posted about this extensively in the current financial situation thread. The real savings is nowhere close to $20 million.

Now, I'm a securities lawyer. In my business when you represent to the public that you're saving lots of money by counting all the benefits in one period and hiding that you're pushing all the costs into another that's called fraud.
Well, you're also looking at this through vitriol-colored glasses.

TT is correct. The Jazz would save around $16M this season. That's not in dispute. They MIGHT also be eligible for revenue sharing IF they are under the tax threshold. That was not included in your calculations. So add a potential $4-$5M dollars.

Yes, Diaw MIGHT count $9M for 2011/12. As an attorney, you have to admit that is NOT 100% certain. Do you think Diaw would opt in if another team were willing to step up and offer him, say the MLE for 5 more years? I'd have to think he'd decline his player option and go with the new offer.

In any case, if Diaw weren't on the roster, the Jazz would most likely sign a veteran to replace him. So let's assume a replacement could be had for $3M instead of the $9M paid to Boris. So Diaw's real cost is what the Jazz are paying him in EXCESS of what they would pay for a replacement. But let's not even speculate on that. Let's just say Diaw opts in and stays on the team next season. What's real is the Jazz save between $16-$20M THIS season and probably pay out $9M next. And deduct from that $9M whatever you think they would have spent on a backup PF - that's the real cost.
 
That was not included in your calculations. So add a potential $4-$5M dollars.

Yes it was. I started from the asserted $18 million savings (which includes that number) and chipped away from there.

Yes, Diaw MIGHT count $9M for 2011/12. As an attorney, you have to admit that is NOT 100% certain. Do you think Diaw would opt in if another team were willing to step up and offer him, say the MLE for 5 more years? I'd have to think he'd decline his player option and go with the new offer.

No team can negotiate with him until after he opts out. So that competing offer you're contemplating is literally impossible. He's not opting out, and certainly not if a new CBA incorporates a hard cap and reduces player share of BRI.

Actuarially the odds that he chooses to opt out are negligible. Even if you valued it at 10% (which is very high in my mind) that only changes the expected total savings by $900,000.
 
Well, you're also looking at this through vitriol-colored glasses.

TT is correct. The Jazz would save around $16M this season. That's not in dispute. They MIGHT also be eligible for revenue sharing IF they are under the tax threshold. That was not included in your calculations. So add a potential $4-$5M dollars.

Yes, Diaw MIGHT count $9M for 2011/12. As an attorney, you have to admit that is NOT 100% certain. Do you think Diaw would opt in if another team were willing to step up and offer him, say the MLE for 5 more years? I'd have to think he'd decline his player option and go with the new offer.

In any case, if Diaw weren't on the roster, the Jazz would most likely sign a veteran to replace him. So let's assume a replacement could be had for $3M instead of the $9M paid to Boris. So Diaw's real cost is what the Jazz are paying him in EXCESS of what they would pay for a replacement. But let's not even speculate on that. Let's just say Diaw opts in and stays on the team next season. What's real is the Jazz save between $16-$20M THIS season and probably pay out $9M next. And deduct from that $9M whatever you think they would have spent on a backup PF - that's the real cost.

Why would you need another PF with Milsap and AJ? There would only be minutes for him while Okur is out (1-2 months). You don't take on 9 million dollars for 2 years for that. Id rather just throw Evans into the fire and get him some experience for whatever backup minutes we initially need, that is why they are signed after all. So not only do I think Diaw is a scrub, he also plays a position the Jazz have no need for. If KOC can find a halfway decent small forward or center for AK I'm all in, because that would be a position of weakness. Outside of that, you hold out for a better offer which will come along at the trade deadline.
 
This deal isn't going to happen but I WILL promise AK gets dumped before the deadline for sure.
 
People need to get over the Harris thing. While it would be a coup for Utah to land him, there has to be another reason the Bobcoats are involved aside from Diaw. With all the talk of 1st round picks being involved, some of them certainly have to be coming from Char.

I agree it's more complicated than just the players straight up. We know nothing about draft picks. All we know is the names of the players involved. So based on that bit of info we do know I'm clamoring for Harris over Diaw. Rather than assume that if all we're getting is Diaw there must be some picks thrown in too. What if there aren't?
Better to speak up over what little we do know and let those that know more fill us in on the details. It would suck to not say anything and then find out that all the Jazz got was Boris Diaw. Meanwhile Charlotte dumps the guy they're itching to get rid of and snags a stud like Harris for him.

It's always better to speak up. But it's looking like this may not go thru now anyway. Which is better than losing that 17m expiring contract for freaking Boris Diaw.
 
Why would you need another PF with Milsap and AJ? There would only be minutes for him while Okur is out (1-2 months). You don't take on 9 million dollars for 2 years for that. Id rather just throw Evans into the fire and get him some experience for whatever backup minutes we initially need, that is why they are signed after all. So not only do I think Diaw is a scrub, he also plays a position the Jazz have no need for. If KOC can find a halfway decent small forward or center for AK I'm all in, because that would be a position of weakness. Outside of that, you hold out for a better offer which will come along at the trade deadline.
Because AJ is slotted in at center. Do you want AJ to play 15 mins at PF behind Millsap and only 20 at the 5? Then you have Fesenko or Elson playing 28 minutes at center. Good gawd, I hope that doesn't happen!
No one knows how long Okur will be out. Nor do we know how long it will take him to be effective. History suggest a full year of recovery time for his type of injury. What I'd hope to see is Okur playing 10 mins/per by January. So having Jefferson playing 35 mins at C, with Millsap 33 at PF leaves 28 mins to fill for a few months. If the Jazz had Diaw, he could play around 20 mins and the remaining mins would go to Fes/Elson.

Unless the Jazz are willing to take back a bad contract for AK's expiring, a better deal MAY NOT come along. There are others who have just as much they can deal. For example, Sacramento has Dalembert's contract, which they'll be looking to shed at the deadline if Cousins is ready to start.

I don't think the Jazz see SF as a position of need. If you read what has been said about the scrimmages, Hayward has been impressive and everyone is doing cartwheels over Evans' play. I see Hayward getting 15-20 mins/per (and if you think less, just refer to how many mins Pavlovic played as a rookie, or Snyder, or Humphries, or Millsap). Pencil in CJ for 30 mins and Raja about the same. So that's 75-80 mins out of 96 at the 2/3. Evans or Thompson could get soime minutes. So could Deron in a 2-PG set (Sloan played Deron and Maynor together last season). And if the trade goes down, Q Ross could get spot minutes. As could Ronnie Price.

To save anywhere between $14-$20M, dealing AK would be a no-brainer under the current scenario. Now it may not happen now, but I agree w/ Shad. The Jazz WILL try to save some money before the deadlien by dealing AK.
 
i don't like it. if kirilenko leaves...i need a new name. no one will be left. think of the children.

Girl, you're a woman now. I'm sure you'll survive.
I'm the poster formerly named KKsquared. Lost both of those guys, but the sun still came up the next day and I thought up a new user name.
 
Yeah I call BS on this as well.
Kevin O'Conner woud have to be crazy to sign Jefferson, and Bell.... Then go ahead and downgrade our defense by replacing our former All-star with another defensive weakling that can shoot the ball a little bit.
 
Sweet... that deal was ****. I wanna know how in the hell, AK, who had been offered straight up for Vince Carter in the middle of his terrible max deal, gets offered for Diaw at the end... and we consider that.
 
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