We are all just a bunch of whiny b*tches

[JimLes]

I've been on this board and its predecessors since about 2003, and if this was the only basketball related media I read, I would be willing to bet my house that the Jazz are the worst, most incompetent, least successful team in the league. I mean, they sign terrible players to max contracts, draft poorly, sign broken-down players to extensions, have terrible coaches, waste the few good players they get their hands on, etc.

Then I looked at how the Jazz actually did since Stock and Malone left. Up to tonight, the Jazz have a .538 record in 799 games played since the Divine Duo left us. Here is how it compares to the rest of the league in that time(obviously, the Bobcats franchise has played fewer games than the other 29 teams).

Spurs 0.707
Dallas 0.655
LAL 0.619
Denver 0.599
Miami 0.583
Phoenix 0.572
Houston 0.566
Boston 0.564
Utah 0.538
Detroit 0.538
Chicago 0.536
Cleveland 0.517
Indiana 0.516
Orlando 0.515
Oklahoma City 0.509
Memphis 0.489
Portland 0.47
New Orleans 0.465
Philadelphia 0.456
Atlanta 0.45
GS 0.442
Brooklyn 0.437
Milwaukee 0.436
LAC 0.432
New York 0.425
Sacramento 0.42
Toronto 0.411
Washington 0.392
Minnesota 0.376
Charlotte 0.344

The Jazz are tied for 9th in the league with the Pistons. Top third of the league and better than 67% of the teams. And yet if you looked at this board, you'd think the Jazz organization is just one blunder after another. 9th best, people. This is all without Stockton/Malone era, which would probably boost the Jazz to top 5 in the last 25 years. In the past 10 years, Cavs have had LeBron, Magic had Dwight, NO had Paul, and not one of those teams could parlay those future HOF-ers into anything worth writing home about. Those teams have as much to show for the past decade as the Jazz. And yet we b*tch and complain endlessly.

 

[mhindy]

All this thread shows me is that attaining mediocrity is remarkably easy.

 

[asian_roger]

 

[t.work]

I'd like to take this time to apologize... no, **** that ****!!

 

[orangello]

Thanks Locke!

 

[orangello]

All this thread shows me is that attaining mediocrity is remarkably easy.

And acceptable for a lot of fans for the Jazz.

 

[JimLes]

And acceptable for a lot of fans for the Jazz.

Being in the top 3rd of anything is mediocrity? I didn't realize this board was full of class valedictorians, star players of all manner of sports and employees of the month.

 

[t.work]

Spurs 0.707
Dallas 0.655
LAL 0.619
Denver 0.599
Miami 0.583
Phoenix 0.572
Houston 0.566
Boston 0.564
Utah 0.538
Detroit 0.538
Chicago 0.536

Nearly all of those teams have at least one championship, too.

 

[gregbroncs]

We are consistently mediocre. Isn't that what 53% winning is? We are never fantastic and rarely horrible. The problem is that we'd be better of being both more often.

 

[underKANTER]

Okey whiney b*itch.

Let's continue to have .500 seasons and never win a championship in the next 30 years.

It's not difficult to have a winning record if you have enough talent, an average management, stability and if you can avoid injuries.

We also had pretty good players soon after the Stockalone era: D-Will, Boozer and Memo were a quite solid trio. Add Kirilenko, too.

 

[vslice02]

I see a distinct flaw in the philosophy and direction of the franchise since 2010-11. The Jazz ended up with more assets & lottery talent than they ever had on their roster in franchise history, yet they placed a premium on going for the 8th seed - not just once (more understandable in 2011-12) but twice (borderline insanity in 2012-13). They have a team full of free agents yet they not only hang onto them - they play them ahead of the players who will be the future of the franchise. If the talent between vets/young players is close - it makes sense to go w/the vets if you've got serious playoff aspirations. If it's close and you're a .500 team - it makes no sense to play the vets, especially when they're going to be free agents...and it's not even like these guys are rookies, they're 2nd&3rd-year players whose play has improved each season, who keep the Jazz competitive in games, yet their yearly mpg averages are ridiculous.
THAT's the issue for me: current management and coaching philosophies - not the Jazz's performance over the past decade.

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Spurs 0.707
Dallas 0.655
LAL 0.619
Denver 0.599
Miami 0.583
Phoenix 0.572
Houston 0.566
Boston 0.564
Utah 0.538
Detroit 0.538
Chicago 0.536

Nearly all of those teams have at least one championship, too.

And by "nearly" - you mean 6 out of 11.

 

[JimLes]

Spurs 0.707
Dallas 0.655
LAL 0.619
Denver 0.599
Miami 0.583
Phoenix 0.572
Houston 0.566
Boston 0.564
Utah 0.538
Detroit 0.538
Chicago 0.536

Nearly all of those teams have at least one championship, too.

4 of them don't. The same four haven't even sniffed the Finals.

 

[JimLes]

It's not difficult to have a winning record if you have enough talent, an average management, stability and if you can avoid injuries.

If it was that easy, why the **** aren't the other 20 teams doing it? You know, most of the league?

 

[mhindy]

If it was that easy, why the **** aren't the other 20 teams doing it? You know, most of the league?

I'm not saying the Jazz are poorly run, but saying you're at the bottom end of the top third is kind of damning with faint praise. It's fine, but it's not 'good' unless your standards are pretty damn low.

 

[gregbroncs]

If it was that easy, why the **** aren't the other 20 teams doing it? You know, most of the league?

Because if you really want a championship it is the stupidest possible way to go about it.

 

[gregbroncs]

I'm not saying the Jazz are poorly run, but saying you're at the bottom end of the top third is kind of damning with faint praise. It's fine, but it's not 'good' unless your standards are pretty damn low.

It would be just fine if they had a championship or even a trip to the finals with it. Without that it's a complete fail.

 

[Revolution 9]

bitches we itches

 

[JimLes]

I'm not saying the Jazz are poorly run, but saying you're at the bottom end of the top third is kind of damning with faint praise. It's fine, but it's not 'good' unless your standards are pretty damn low.

The assumption being made is that it's an even field in every way. In that case, 9th might be considered mediocre. I'd argue that the field is far from even, though.

 

[JimLes]

Because if you really want a championship it is the stupidest possible way to go about it.

And the right way is what?

 

[Siro]

Who gives a **** about this supposed 10th place accomplishment? We're upset for specific reasons that relate to the present situation and the future of the team.