carolinajazz
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....as a GM I would say...."let the door hit ya, where the dog bit ya!" BYE BYE!
Bye Sap It Was Nice Knowing You
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....as a GM I would say...."let the door hit ya, where the dog bit ya!" BYE BYE!
I am a big fan of Millsap but he is not worth 10+ million a year especially if his role is to be a 6th man. I would love it if SAP would openly accept the 6th man role because I think he could be in the running every year for the 6th man award. However, he is not a starter on a championship team. Signing Millsap/AJ/Mo to big contracts would be a disaster to the rebuilding process, so the Jazz need to be careful how they spend their money even if it means they lose solid guys like Millsap.
b_line
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oh yeah, I remember at the trade deadline almost every team was talking about how much they wanted to pay Marvin Wiliams for two years so they could trade away their promising point guard, and maybe have the same chance they would have had this offseason at signing Millsap. Why didn't we ever make that trade? Oh yeah, because NO ONE was going to trade for Marvin Williams and his shell of an NBA player.
For me he is not worth it because he lost that hunger and edge that he used to have. Like Faried has now.
b_line
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Why would he not just take the extension then? At least that gave him a raise from his current salary. He will probably command about 10 mil per on the market. I think the Jazz will pay it, and have him for the next four years. Is that a bad thing? If they are not playing Kanter and Favors because of it, then yes, but if they have a three big rotation of Kanter, Favors, and Sap, then we will have the best in basketball, as they are all three going to get all star consideration. Remember when Sap was averaging roughly the same numbers he is now, but getting all star consideration for a little bit? Yeah, he is good. All this crap about how he has lost his fire is just speculation. If he has lost his fire, then why havent his numbers dropped significantly? Why does he still lead the team in steals? How is he still so good, but so much smaller than all the other big men?
The reason we think he lost his fire, is because he is pretty much at his peak, and is not improving rapidly like he was before.
green
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I just think that the market won't be as hot for an aging, declining, small scrappy PF that isn't scrappy anymore and wants to get paid and treated like "the man." I think what Sap thinks he is going to get and he will actually get are two different things. It goes back to the question I asked:
Do you want Sap at a high salary, or Landry and 1/2 the cost?
Any intelligent person would take Landry.
Your question goes against the premise immediately before it. If the market is not that hot for Millsap, I think you will be wrong here, then the Jazz will not have to pay a high salary for Millsap. THey could still get him at a reasonable price.
As for Landry, why does it have to be one or the other? Jazz will have the money to land both.
green
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No, it doesn't. I said I think Sap will be back for around 8-9 million a year. The reason why, is because Millsap will go on the market, demand 12-14. Smart GM's will look at Millsap's demands, look at his production, the look at players like Carl Landry and see that they are very similar players. They will call up Landry, offer him 6 million a year, Landry will take it and run. Millsap will be left looking around, getting offers in the 6-7 million dollar range, and the Jazz will do what they always do: Overpay for their mediocre players and offer him 8-9 million a year. Then he will be back for the roughly the same salary as he is making now.
It's quite simple.
Also, why would Utah want to land both? That would be INSANE. You will probably extend Favors for around 4 and 40-45 this summer. Then you extend Millsap for 4 and 35. Then you toss in that Kanter will get 10-15 next summer. That means you will have 30-38 million or over HALF your allotted money tied up with two positions. It would make ZERO sense to bring in another guy at 6 million per year to rot on the bench. You want your fourth big to be Evans or some late first round draft pick.
Sorry, sorry, sorry. I had Landry confused with someone else.
b_line
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You saying any intelligent person would take Landry is kind of odd. Sap knows our system, and has been successful here. Landry has never been as good as Sap. He may command less money, but at some point, you have to pay players anyway. The Jazz are wayyyy below the minimum salary with only their young guys on contract.
Also, what gives you the idea that Millsap is declining? He is still very young. He might not improve any more from where he is, but he has definitely not taken a step back. He has averaged roughly the same numbers as the last few years with less minutes. In my mind, that is improvement. Just because he is not as flashy, does not mean he is not as productive. His Per 36 numbers are negligibly different from last year, and his rebounding is better than 2 years ago. Last year was his best year, but this year is not far off from that, and that is in almost 3 minutes less per game.
Saying that an intelligent person would take Carl Landry and his 10 points/6 rebounds per game over Millsap's production does not add up. Millsap is a good player. Landry is a less good player.
b_line
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Everything I have read says that Millsap will get around 10 mil per year on his next contract. That is not bad for a guy that plays as well as he does. There is a reason that Carl Landry only plays backup minutes, while Millsap plays starter minutes. I know a lot of people think Millsap is just a bench guy, but can you name 30 power forwards better than Millsap? Someone will offer him more than 10 million per year, but I hope the Jazz dont pay more than that.
I thought Sap would get that too, but I think his value has dropped this year. I think he is looking at around 8 million per year in FA.
Would you bring him back at that price? If so what would you want his role on the team to be?
Part of me says yes, cause I would hope he could go back to his Boozer-era backup days, but another part of me just says we need to wash out everything from the Dwill era.
homeytennis
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Perhaps they can do a sign and trade and get a young player.
green
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I don't need to name 30 pf's better than Sap. I have Kanter and Favors.
b_line
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cool, have fun playing them 48 minutes per game each.
b_line
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more likely they sign and trade and get a trade exception, and then turn that into a guy with a crappy contract + a young player. I think the "flexibility" we have heard so much about will come into play this summer/beginning of next season
MoreFeasts
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How can the Jazz afford to pay players what they are worth?
Okay, so maybe Sap is worth 10 mil.
What is the salary cap, (sorry I don't live and breath this stuff) don't they have to keep the totals around like 50 60 million?
You give a guy 10 million to be a marginal starter or first guy off the bench, who did not have a great year, and is not getting any younger....
How do you fill out a good roster, when you start off paying a guy 10 million that half the fans think should be coming off then bench? That leaves like 45 million for the other 14 guys. How are they going to find 5 good starters with the cash left, when your 5th or 6th man is making 10 million? Excuse my rambling.
Okay, so maybe Sap is worth 10 mil.
What is the salary cap, (sorry I don't live and breath this stuff) don't they have to keep the totals around like 50 60 million?
You give a guy 10 million to be a marginal starter or first guy off the bench, who did not have a great year, and is not getting any younger....
How do you fill out a good roster, when you start off paying a guy 10 million that half the fans think should be coming off then bench? That leaves like 45 million for the other 14 guys. How are they going to find 5 good starters with the cash left, when your 5th or 6th man is making 10 million? Excuse my rambling.