What has David Locke so upset?

[franklin]

Mahoney had three good points that he didn't drive home in the podcast (I wonder why?):

Because Locke yammers on endlessly & add so much unnecessary fluff that people tune him out.

1. There are obviously player combinations that have worked, otherwise the jazz wouldn't be where they are, but what are they? Why are they one the floor so few minutes?

Answered. Jazz have one way players.

2. If players like Corey Brewer can work in Denver as drive-and-dish guys, then maybe Utah isn't using players like Burks effectively? The Utah offense has been Meh, period.

Answered. Corey Brewer is shooting 29%. Denver has an athletic guy at each position. Jazz have Burks and no point guard.

Besides, Corbin has used drive and dish in situations like the last OKC game. I enjoyed that game more than many others. However, I can't use confirmation bias to claim Corbin's an idiot for not doing it all season while forgetting about player growth. Hayward has made big strides this season, IMO.

3. Defensive schemes aren't playing to the individual players' strengths.

David Locke explained Corbin's ongoing defensive adjustments.

One thing fans don't realize is how many mistakes Derrick Favors makes on the defensive end. He's a great help defender but still has a ton to learn before being part of a tight nit stopper. His rotations and pnr flashes are quite often as bad as Jefferson's are. Claiming that the defense would be top notch by simply inserting Favors is mental laziness IMO.

 

[NAOS]

Because Locke yammers on endlessly & add so much unnecessary fluff that people tune him out.




Answered. Jazz have one way players.



Answered. Corey Brewer is shooting 29%. Denver has an athletic guy at each position. Jazz have Burks and no point guard.

Besides, Corbin has used drive and dish in situations like the last OKC game. I enjoyed that game more than many others. However, I can't use confirmation bias to claim Corbin's an idiot for not doing it all season while forgetting about player growth. Hayward has made big strides this season, IMO.



David Locke explained Corbin's ongoing defensive adjustments.

One thing fans don't realize is how many mistakes Derrick Favors makes on the defensive end. He's a great help defender but still has a ton to learn before being part of a tight nit stopper. His rotations and pnr flashes are quite often as bad as Jefferson's are. Claiming that the defense would be top notch by simply inserting Favors is mental laziness IMO.

I wasn't satisfied by the depth of any of those "answers". Very partial, all of them.

The entire organization has had a hard time:
1. Finding and/or creating deals to improve the roster
2. Understanding player combos and schematics that build on strengths and cover up REAL limitations.

We have something like a system. There has been slow adjustments made to it, and those adjustments seem to me to be made after the player has done most of the compromising with the system. This year CAN BE USED AS PROOF that this way of doing business has stalled out.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I like Locke, but I think it's pretty sad how he discredits the whole team just to promote Corbin. I guess he needs damage control the most. I mean, I half-way agree with the things Locke says about our team, but I think he exaggerates a lot of it.

 

[NAOS]

I've said this before, and I think it still rings some form of truth:

The best comparison to the jazz in another sport is in the persona of Mike Shannahan. He has a system, and players have to run it. He was blessed with two very talented players in the late 90s and had a lot of success with that system. He's been trying ever since to fit players into that system, despite a changing league, and with limited success.

There's a difference between the Shannahans and the Belichiks (who has had 3 or 4 incarnations since the late 90s).

 

[orangello]

Did you guys like the part where Locke uses a 48 minute block of time when the c4 were on the floor together as proof they shouldn't be?
Cmon fellas, let's gets specific about that ****show and have some laughs.

Like I said, Locke uses his numbers to prove whatever he wants proved.

 

[orangello]

I thought Mahony was spot on with his criticism of Ty and the Jazz. What really made me want to puck was the reaction to all the homer 1280 crew. They stood up for how great a job Ty has done this year and how he just wanted to win. (hurl) If I hear one more time how Ty had to take over the team after Jerry left and how the Jazz traded their best player two weeks latter and there was a lock-out the next year and poor Ty couldn't implement his system last year, I'm gonna lose it. Randy Rigby and KOC get on 1280 and talk about what a great job Ty has done. Do they think we are idiots and only they can see the brilliance in Ty's moves? The sad fact is that the Jazz are a small market team. They will never fire Ty because they may have to pay more for another coach or have to pay two coaches at one time. Ty could smother Alec Burks with a pillow and the Jazz wouldn't do a thing. He's the safest coach in the league. This season has been a waste of time and energy.

Yep.

 

[franklin]

I wasn't satisfied by the depth of any of those "answers". Very partial, all of them.

The entire organization has had a hard time:
1. Finding and/or creating deals to improve the roster
2. Understanding player combos and schematics that build on strengths and cover up REAL limitations.

We have something like a system. There has been slow adjustments made to it, and those adjustments seem to me to be made after the player has done most of the compromising with the system. This year CAN BE USED AS PROOF that this way of doing business has stalled out.

The organization is clearly outdated, IMO. They're trailing and copying and playing catch up. It's like making slow adjustments to an old Camaro thinking it'll help it beat a Bugatti Veyron SS. They should have given away Sap and Jefferson to the highest bidder way before the trade deadline and moved on.

As far as #2 goes, I'm open to ideas but haven't found any solutions myself. The Jazz are limited at every single position.

The problem with this team starts and ends with Jefferson being their best player but not dominant enough to make Jeffyball a success. Thinking the lack of movement after dumping the ball into Jefferson is Corbin's fault as so many posters have claimed couldn't be further from the truth. Every coach in the league with a dominant big man did this with success: Popovich, Jackson, Rivers, Brown, Riley, Sloan. It's not Corbin's fault Al Jefferson is not good enough to dominate in his role. The team had to slog through that contract and there's nothing Corbin could have done to change that.

 

[orangello]

I like Locke, but I think it's pretty sad how he discredits the whole team just to promote Corbin. I guess he needs damage control the most. I mean, I half-way agree with the things Locke says about our team, but I think he exaggerates a lot of it.

This is what I have been saying!

 

[franklin]

You want my critique of Corbin, it's that he's taking a mediocre rebounding team and choosing offensive rebounds over spacing/assists. It's ugly and he doesn't have the talent to bail out poor spacing. Spread that **** out and give up the boards you're giving up anyway.

 

[franklin]

Here's another: Jeffyball kicks *** against lesser teams but it rarely works against playoff teams. That's why you lose to +.500 all the freaking time. Cut your loses and experiment against the best teams, not the worst.

 

[fishonjazz]

The organization is clearly outdated, IMO. They're trailing and copying and playing catch up. It's like making slow adjustments to an old Camaro thinking it'll help it beat a Bugatti Veyron SS. They should have given away Sap and Jefferson to the highest bidder way before the trade deadline and moved on.

As far as #2 goes, I'm open to ideas but haven't found any solutions myself. The Jazz are limited at every single position.

The problem with this team starts and ends with Jefferson being their best player but not dominant enough to make Jeffyball a success. Thinking the lack of movement after dumping the ball into Jefferson is Corbin's fault as so many posters have claimed couldn't be further from the truth. Every coach in the league with a dominant big man did this with success: Popovich, Jackson, Rivers, Brown, Riley, Sloan. It's not Corbin's fault Al Jefferson is not good enough to dominate in his role. The team had to slog through that contract and there's nothing Corbin could have done to change that.

This is one of the best posts I have ever seen from franklin.... Seems genuine and not trying to troll.
Repped

 

[fishonjazz]

Here's another: Jeffyball kicks *** against lesser teams but it rarely works against playoff teams. That's why you lose to +.500 all the freaking time. Cut your loses and experiment against the best teams, not the worst.

Good idea right here.

 

[orangello]

Here's another: Jeffyball kicks *** against lesser teams but it rarely works against playoff teams. That's why you lose to +.500 all the freaking time. Cut your loses and experiment against the best teams, not the worst.

That is why Jefferson is getting paid like he is.

 

[mct]

Locke and Mahoney disagree about what disappointing means. I don't think anyone expected the jazz to win 50 games. Therefore, in terms of record, the jazz have not been disappointing. But, man, fighting for eighth seed 3 years in a row now with a rotation that can't ever be expected to do better than that? That's not just disappointing; that's depressing.

 

[MoreFeasts]

Locke was an idiot. Mahoney was just a guy talking on a radio show. He wasn't trying to debate Locke, so it is silly to criticize him for not debating better.

 

[Stoked]

Locke and Mahoney disagree about what disappointing means. I don't think anyone expected the jazz to win 50 games. Therefore, in terms of record, the jazz have not been disappointing. But, man, fighting for eighth seed 3 years in a row now with a rotation that can't ever be expected to do better than that? That's not just disappointing; that's depressing.

I felt, and still continue to feel, that this squad was capable of winning 50 games. I see this season as a season where the Jazz under performed.

 

[orangello]

Locke and Mahoney disagree about what disappointing means. I don't think anyone expected the jazz to win 50 games. Therefore, in terms of record, the jazz have not been disappointing. But, man, fighting for eighth seed 3 years in a row now with a rotation that can't ever be expected to do better than that? That's not just disappointing; that's depressing.

We have a winner!

 

[green]

Yes we do bring in raw talent and they leave here a honed talent. There has to be something there and I am inclined to nod my head towards Corbin for that. However I am extrmemely frustrated with his rotations, in game adjustments and allocation of playing time.

What raw talent was brought in under Corbin and left a honed talent? I can't think of anyone.

All I can think of is Kanter, who gets the 11th most minutes, Favors, who gets the 7th most minutes and Hayward, whose development has gone so badly that Corbin has seen the need to DECREASE his minutes.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

... Kanter, who gets the 12th most minutes

Corrected.

 

[b_line]

The organization is clearly outdated, IMO. They're trailing and copying and playing catch up. It's like making slow adjustments to an old Camaro thinking it'll help it beat a Bugatti Veyron SS. They should have given away Sap and Jefferson to the highest bidder way before the trade deadline and moved on.

As far as #2 goes, I'm open to ideas but haven't found any solutions myself. The Jazz are limited at every single position.

The problem with this team starts and ends with Jefferson being their best player but not dominant enough to make Jeffyball a success. Thinking the lack of movement after dumping the ball into Jefferson is Corbin's fault as so many posters have claimed couldn't be further from the truth. Every coach in the league with a dominant big man did this with success: Popovich, Jackson, Rivers, Brown, Riley, Sloan. It's not Corbin's fault Al Jefferson is not good enough to dominate in his role. The team had to slog through that contract and there's nothing Corbin could have done to change that.

repped. the only thing I would add is that it is Corbin's fault for not adding some different stuff sooner, instead of waiting two seasons to see that Jeffyball was not cutting it to get into the top tier of the league. Should have seen that when Jefferson was in Minny, and was playing even better than he is now. To his credit though, most of us thought that Jeffy just needed a good coach and system, and he could be great.