Following potential 2013 draftees

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

A few comments, having cruised through the last 10 pages:

- I still like Schroeder at 14, unless Adams or Zeller is there

- The assumption that the Jazz will pick Larkin at #14 is pretty loose and could just be DX imitating Chad Ford.

- Glen Rice Jr. and Tony Mitchell should be in the conversation at #21. I'll be surprised if Giannis is there.

- Archie Goodwin is a steal based on where he's being mocked.

- People who compare Wolters to Jimmer aren't being rational. Jimmer was a fad who chucked 28-foot 3s, while Wolters is an underrated player who scores from just about everywhere and actually has good size and skills for the PG position. I would understand if the Jazz drafted him.

- If Saric is really such a special player, he won't be on the board at #21 (not airtight logic, I know)

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Also, if you want a 'D-and-3' guy, why not Tim Hardaway Jr.? He has more all-around game than Bullock and only gives up about an inch.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Here's another guy on the radar at #21.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oG8mWEI81h0

 

[Revolution 9]

And I would take Ty Lawson in this draft, and on this young team with this core any day!

Having said that I still want Nate Wolters at least at 21 if not 14!

No way in hell does Wolters go before #21.
If you really want him take him there, which is still a reach.

 

[The Midnight]

Also, if you want a 'D-and-3' guy, why not Tim Hardaway Jr.? He has more all-around game than Bullock and only gives up about an inch.

LOL.. no thanks.. Tim Hardaway Jnr is a jack of all trade, but a master of none.

- no handle (he admitted himself he's not a great dribbler)

- limited defensive ability/potential

- not a great driver of the ball/finisher

- He's a decent enough shooter, but not outstanding, especially from 3pt.

- Mentally he seems a bit shaky/soft to me.


Bottom line is I just don't get a good vibe from him.... he screams CJ Miles to me.

Yep I've said it.

C-J-M-I-L-E-S

 

[cowhide]

The latest video on the greek kid was more impressive than the previous video I viewed. The kid seems more athletic than I previously thought but I am concerned about the competition level. He is certainly a gamble but I would consider him at 14. He is not going to get past Atlanta so he most likely won't be their at 21. I would definitely take a serious look at him if he were their at 21.

The Hayward vs George debate is splitting hairs. Both guys are very good players and each have small weaknesses. Overall I give George a slight edge but I think Gordon is right with him. I remember Gordon has out played him several times if I recall right.

 

[cowhide]

I agree about Tim Hardaway Jr. I am not sold on his game. I think he would be an interesting pick at the end of the 1st/early second round.

 

[mellow]

Dennis Schroeder laughed and tried to brush it off. When the gifted young point guard from Germany was asked whether he was given a “promise” to be drafted in the first round of the June 27 NBA draft, he grinned and said, “Nobody has talked to me. … I’m just hoping to go in the first round.” Schroeder’s agent, Alex Saratsis, tried to squelch the Schröder “promise” as well. “I don’t know where that came from,” Saratsis said. “I don’t know anything about that.”

Schroeder said he intends to audition for only three more teams before heading back to Germany. Those teams are Boston, Dallas, which has the 13th pick, and Utah, which has the 14th pick.

For the Schroeder nuts....

 

[margodydek]

I'm fine with Larkin, but only at #21. I wish the combine did a measurement to see how fast players are with the ball, if only for comedic reasons (see Howard, Josh & White, James) . Larkin may have had the faster sprint, but I'm not sure he'd beat Lawson in a race with the ball, though I'd really like to know the answer.

 

[orangello]

Here's a thought on Hayward. I don't need or necessarily want Hayward to turn into Paul George. They are different players with different strengths. I want Hayward to be the best player that he can be and I have a feeling that the best Hayward possible is a hybrid between George and Ginobili. I see him being a playmaker and shotmaker while facilitating the offense. That is the Hayward that I want to see.

 

[orangello]

I'm fine with Larkin, but only at #21. I wish the combine did a measurement to see how fast players are with the ball, if only for comedic reasons (see Howard, Josh & White, James) . Larkin may have had the faster sprint, but I'm not sure he'd beat Lawson in a race with the ball, though I'd really like to know the answer.

Great point.

 

[margodydek]

The Hayward/George argument is starting to get old. Is George better? Yes. However, Hayward was a great value pick at #9. Looking back, Hayward probably should have been taken #6 that year. Portland gets a ton of flack for taking Bowie over Jordan, but no one laughs at Houston for taking The Dream first, even though they still passed on the greatest player ever.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Posted this in the Paul George Thread, but to avoid making the same mistake as we did with Hayward, we need to think about swinging for the fences and go on physical potential first and foremost. Then, fight, determination and willingness to improve. We've got to get guys that are physically going to be able to go toe to toe with the likes of Lebron, Durant, etc.

Guys in our range with these qualities seem to be:

- Schroeder (elite speed, quickness)

- MCW (great length, athleticism for PG)

- Adams (Legit 7 footer, lots of room to grow)

- Greek Freak (Bball wise not there yet, but great size, big hands, enormous wingspan)

- Gobert (need I say more?)

Gone are the days when you can settle for the likes of Kyle Korvers of the world (Karasev) or Jimmer (Wolters). We need to get guys with athleticism, size and speed. The basketball side of things will come if they're willing to improve.

Ok. You are getting dumber and dumber by the post. Kyle Korver is a starter, and my hell Hayward is is a very good nba player, and to say Wolters should be compared to Jimmer is completely asinine Wolters is a real life. My hell you need to be stoped! How the hell do you compare Schroeder's potential to George's. Yes, he's fast or quick or whatever but he's small as hell and has some very bad weaknesses, like his stationary set shot, which explains his bad midrange game, inability to finish at the rim, and the most damning is the haft that he doesn't have a left hand. And don't try to tell me you haven't seen this as a problem lately because all you've seen is one Allstar game and some highlights of that game, or highlights of him in his crap league.

Sorry kkk....... The truth hurts, but shall set you free.

Eric Bledsoe is 6'1.
Trey Burke is 6'1.


These two guys are the most wanted point guards on this site and guess what they are only 1-inch taller than Larkin. Shane Larkin is 6'0 and you guys are worried about his size?

Um...... Larkin is 5-11 with shoes on.

If Schroeder's still on the board though, why would you go with Larkin?

I'd go Larkin befor Schroeder.

paul george is also a much better 3 point shooter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHmRykTdh8E

hayward shot 2 for 13 in 4 games from 3, including an O-for during the home games

of all the stupid crap you've said on this board this is the dumbest thing you've ever said. To me you are saying that Paul is a better shooter then Hayward because of their playoff stats. And completely ignoring hundreds of regular season games, which are in Hayward's favor. Please. I would love to hear you try to explain that one away

How is Paul George a better 3pt shooter, really?

Paul George's stats from 3 for the last two seasons:

2011-12: makes 1.4 attempts 3.5 = 38.5%
2012-13: makes 1.8 attempts 5.6 = 33.0%

Averages: 1.6/4.6 = 35.8%


Hayward's

2011-12: makes 0.8 attempts 2.4 = 34.6%
2012-13: makes 1.4 attempts 3.4 = 41.5%

Averages: 1.1/2.9 = 37.9%


So with an increased role Paul George got worse and makes him look like a chucker, and I never thought that about Paul George. I guarantee if we look up the rest of their stats they come out almost equal maybe favoring Gordon Hayward. Which tells us George is a less efficient player when given a bigger role and than Hayward is.

Having said all that if the Jazz had a coach like Frank Vogel and a half decent point guard and George Hill isn't that great I promise Hayward would be better. And if Hayward had an offense focus around him and not ALfense, the more we would be saying Hayward is the steal of that draft.

I'm quoting this, because I'm sure you need to be reminded of the numbers befor your hack job of explaining this away.


My assessment of reading the last 5 pages is we need to have a blanket party where kkk and pointgod are the guest of honors, as they are bringing down the collective IQ of jazzfanz.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I am not trying to be a total dick when I say some of the posts/takes in the last few pages took absurdity to a new level.
Some good posts too, of course.. but if the takes get dumber as we get closer to the draft, the thread will become unreadable.

I'm not going to call anyone out.. but some of the Larkin takes are awful as are some of the Hayward/George.

I'm good with swinging for the fences.. but am not convinced everyone even knows what that means.

 

[orangello]

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YlgpsMKUSjU

 

[orangello]

Here is the new video for Schroe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=koDAqCWjIcw

 

[orangello]

I thought it would be good to post these back to back.

 

[orangello]

Did anyone watch the new scout video of Dennis?

 

[A-Train (old)]

Chad Ford's mock draft 4.0 posted about 20 mins ago:

14. Jazz - Dennis Schroeder
The Jazz's biggest need is at the point, and it's increasingly likely the team will have to use this pick to draft a top-ranked point guard. Schroeder is interesting because of his speed and length. He's not as NBA-ready as some of the other point guards in the draft, but one of the Jazz's priorities is to get more athletic. Miami's Shane Larkin is another possibility here.

21. Jazz- Kelly Olynyk
Olynyk is another big projected as a potential late lottery pick who's struggling to find a home right now. I doubt he slides past the Jazz if they get a point guard at No. 14. With both Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap hitting free agency, Utah will need frontcourt help, and Olynyk's ability to both shoot the basketball and put it on the floor would give the Jazz's front line another wrinkle.

*Notable picks. Oladipo is at #2, who looks like the genius now? 'Bazz is at #16, not sure why the Jazz would pass on him at #14. KCP moved up all the way to #9. Lastly, Larkin is at #15 to the Bucks.

 

[A-Train (old)]

13. Dallas - Dario Saric
Given NBA rules, Dallas technically can't trade the pick until after the draft, but it can reach a deal in principle before it. Sources say the Mavs have been making calls gauging interest. However, the other option is taking Saric. Dallas can get him off the cap with an agreement from Saric that he won't come to the NBA this season. The Mavs actually love Saric, so it might work for both parties. And even if they trade the pick, Saric appears to be a hot name right now.