Hayward - a Bust or Not?
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billyshelby
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twentytwo
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You watched anything but the box score?
I think the people who are watching Hayward and not just looking at his FG%/points know that he could turn into something special.
I'll hold my Hornacek/Mike Miller aspirations for the first couple years and see where he goes. I'll gladly eat crow if I'm wrong though, unlike some of the other stubborn ****s on this board.
Yeah! Just like Jeff Hornacek.
LunaticWolf
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Actually, Hayward had a better lane agility than Sanders.
Anyone who says he isn't athletic enough just can't get passed the color of his skin.
Anyone who says he isn't athletic enough just can't get passed the color of his skin.
Lunatic
Apples and oranges. Fess isn't going to score as high as Deron Williams. Different positions are scored differently. Unfortunately Hayward has to guard 2s and 3s so he needs lateral movement. We don't ask centers to guard Kobe. And, for the record I don't care about his skin color I care about speed and athleticism.
Now while I hated picking Hayward at nine instead of nineteen, he is a Jazzman and I'm trying to like him.
Apples and oranges. Fess isn't going to score as high as Deron Williams. Different positions are scored differently. Unfortunately Hayward has to guard 2s and 3s so he needs lateral movement. We don't ask centers to guard Kobe. And, for the record I don't care about his skin color I care about speed and athleticism.
Now while I hated picking Hayward at nine instead of nineteen, he is a Jazzman and I'm trying to like him.
NAOS
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Thanks for answering the posts addressed directly to you. good one.
candrew
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People live in a world of instant gratification. The NBA is part that world. Highly touted players come into the league and make an instant contribution - James, Howard, Anthony. When your team drafts a player in the top 10 some people get overly excited and tend to con themselves into believing the highest possible ceiling is what a player should immediately live up to. When he doesn't, it reaffirms the doubts that you've been suppressing and you immediately view it as a let down.
7StraightIsGreat
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I guess it's all about seeing the glass half full or half empty. I see it as a great idea because if Hayward is in with the first unit, we don't need ANY scoring from him. Any points we get from him under that scenario are a complete bonus. As a result, Hayward will get the minutes he needs to develope while being able to immediately contribute thanks to the fact that he's a multi-faceted player. It also allows Jerry to keep some scoring punch in the 2nd unit which is something that shouldn't be underestimated IMO.
The other two scnenarios are to not play GH at all (terrible idea), or stick him with the 2nd unit. Playing with the 2nd unit will put more pressure on GH to score, and when he struggles to do so early, will almost assuredly result in him forcing his game and possibly regressing. I don't think it's impossible for GH to become a better NBA player while coming off the bench, but I certainly like the idea of starting him much better.
Without looking it up, I think Sanders had one of the worst times of all the power forward/centers. Slower even that Aldrich. I liked Sanders, but I'm not sure how you decide Hayward is not athletic enough to play in the NBA based on his agility time, then endorse Sanders who had the same deficiency.
my2cents
You are getting sanders and aldrich mixed up. Sanders is a very athletic big.
As for starting Hayward, I think it is a terrible idea. The only possible reason for starting him is so that KOC does not look so bad for drafting this guy. Benching AK, CJ or Bell for Hayward is just wrong. Hayward has got to prove he can play before playing.
Last year Mathews earned his playing time, Hayward is being given playing time so KOC doesn't look stupid for drafting him.
By the way did anyone else see the Jazz preview on the NBA channel. Brent Berry said drafting Hayward was a big risk because everyone knew of his physical limitations. Brent then went on to say if there was a single team in the NBA that can make Hayward a player its the Jazz. Sloan's system does not emphasize athletic ability. Sloan's system emphasized smart team basketball so maybe Hayward has a shot in a couple of years. I think I agree with Berry.
You are getting sanders and aldrich mixed up. Sanders is a very athletic big.
As for starting Hayward, I think it is a terrible idea. The only possible reason for starting him is so that KOC does not look so bad for drafting this guy. Benching AK, CJ or Bell for Hayward is just wrong. Hayward has got to prove he can play before playing.
Last year Mathews earned his playing time, Hayward is being given playing time so KOC doesn't look stupid for drafting him.
By the way did anyone else see the Jazz preview on the NBA channel. Brent Berry said drafting Hayward was a big risk because everyone knew of his physical limitations. Brent then went on to say if there was a single team in the NBA that can make Hayward a player its the Jazz. Sloan's system does not emphasize athletic ability. Sloan's system emphasized smart team basketball so maybe Hayward has a shot in a couple of years. I think I agree with Berry.
UGLI baby
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lol at evrybody defending the hayword pick. all u sheep just eat up everything the jazz management serves you. they just keep darfting white mormans and you just keep defending them even though gordon has PROVEN NOTHING THIS WHOLE SEASON!!! look around the league and john wall is lighting it up and so is damarcus cousins but hey atleast we got a whitey for all the whiteys they will just be happy with him doing nothing and letting hedo turkolu hit long range bomb 3 pointers over him al day and not even jump to block it cuz he haz zero hops like adam morinson.
Inn Dawn
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Jazz4ever
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Yes because John Wall and Demarcus Cousins were on the table when Hayward was drafted. Fail.
This is such spectacular sarcasm that I almost can't tell that it is! Bravo!!!
NAOS
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This guy has some genius trolling moments.
Stifle Tower
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I have to agree. Being a starter doesn't mean he's going to get a ton of minutes. And with Deron, Paul, Al and either Raja or CJ, Hayward would be the 5th option. I could see him starting and going about 6 mins, then you bring in AK. Gordon gets 12 mins/per game which seems just about right. AK plays through the early 2nd/4th, gets a 3-4 min. rest and then comes back in to finish. That gives AK around 30 mins/per. You could also have Raja play short mins in the 1st and 3rd and bring in CJ at the 6 min mark when you bring in AK. Then at the quarter break, Raja comes back in, CJ moves to SF and AK slides over to PF so Millsap can get a rest.
NAOS
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I want AK and Millsap on the floor together as much as possible. Those guys have great chemistry. If Fes is playing well, then when Sap needs a break you can slide Jefferson over to the 4 along side him. Hayward as a starter gets in the way of this vision, so I'm against it. I understand the argument for his development, but I'm also a big fan of that winning streak we went on last year with AK in the starting line up.
I didn't get them mixed up at all. I know very well who Sanders is. I was trying to point out that Hayward and Sanders both had slower agility times relative to their positions. I didn't understand why Sander's time made him athletic and Hayward's time made him too unathletic to play in the NBA. No big deal, I just didn't think you were applying the same standard to both players.