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July 7th, Summer League Game 1: Utah vs. Miami

Literally embarrassed to be a Jazzfan by reading some of the posts in this thread
 
TheStormofWar said:
You're making this call after one meaningless, summer league game? Really?

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God damn. Did you even read my original post? Let me quote it: "Burke didn't show a killer instinct on that play. Miami player down hurt and Burke acted like he wanted to help him up. Five on four and he couldn't find the open man." (Emphasis added.)

Do you always read more into a statement than what was said?
 
themanknownassting said:
Burke had a roughing shooting day, but that will come around. I don't judge any player at summer league. I didn't forget how poorly Kanter played last summer. Yes he was out of shape, but he proved it was nothing to judge by.
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Really? Kanter did pretty good except in the first game and despite being out of shape that time.

His stats: https://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/players/sl_enes_kanter/

He averaged 10.4 PPG / 8.8 RPG / 1.4 APG / 1.2 SPG and 0.8 TPG in just around 25 minutes per game. He shot 50 percent from the floor and 67 percent from free throw line. He was pretty good.
 
green said:
So, what is everyone going to bitch about when Trey gets his feet under him, goes 5-12 with 15 pts, 5 assists, 7 rebounds and 2 TO's?
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I complained that he looked slow and lacked explosiveness. If he still looks slow and lacks explosiveness I'll probably complain about that. I never once complained about his poor shooting.
 
So it's 2:26pm MT and the game is (pretty much) over? I guess I'm the idiot for not checking a real source.
 
green said:
Seriously? You're crazy if you believe this. I would hope that every single time my kid plays in a exhibition game, that if he sees someone go down, he tosses the ball away and helps the kid up. Killer instinct? You're nuts. There is a HUGE difference between hitting a big shot at the end of a game "killer instinct" and being a dick to other human beings "killer instinct". One makes you successful in life. The other makes you a dick.
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Hmm, ever watched an NBA game?
 
Ellipse said:
God damn. Did you even read my original post? Let me quote it: "Burke didn't show a killer instinct on that play. Miami player down hurt and Burke acted like he wanted to help him up. Five on four and he couldn't find the open man." (Emphasis added.)

Do you always read more into a statement than what was said?
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I think we all interpreted it as you questioning Burke's killer instinct based on that play. What were you trying to say?
 
If you think you have a meaningful opinion on a players' strengths and weaknesses after watching one summer league game, you might as well apply for disability benefits.
 
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Here are questions people should be asking:

- Are guys in shape?
- Are 2nd or 3rd year guys showing any improvement in areas they needed to work on, like Jeremy Evans with scoring and post defense?
- Are guys able to defend their position, or are they getting blown away?
- Are guys moving well and looking like they have any clue about what they're trying to do?

A few shots that go in or don't go in aren't a big deal, unless you have a situation where Jeremy Evans is draining 3s, or Gobert is dunking on everyone in sight. Trey Burke is one of the best shooters in the draft. I don't worry about him making shots at all.
 
NUMBERICA said:
So it's 2:26pm MT and the game is (pretty much) over? I guess I'm the idiot for not checking a real source.
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It wasn't me but I'm sorry u missed it all the same. Don't read this thread for insight on Burke... holy **** there's some knuckle draggers in here.
 
NUMBERICA said:
So it's 2:26pm MT and the game is (pretty much) over? I guess I'm the idiot for not checking a real source.
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It wasn't me but I'm sorry u missed it all the same. Don't read this thread for insight on Burke... holy **** there's some knuckle draggers in here.
 
Burke had a rough outing, no argument there. I think he learned he's going to have to make adjustments as his shots were swatted away several times. His defense was better than I expected, though. As NDY posted, his rebound and assist totals were good. He'll be just fine going forward. Three things I took out of today:

1) Alec Burks was playing PG when Burke first rested. That surprised me a bit. Perhaps the Jazz DO see Alec as a combo guard who can play the backup PG position.
2) Gobert is not quite as raw as I thought. Guy is going to be a solid rotation player going forward. He was a force around the rim and was coming out to set picks.
3) For the most part, the Jazz defense was very solid. I know it's just SL, but any improvement is encouraging.

Other players I thought had solid outings: Roberts, Christamas and Mahalbasic.
 
My takeaways from this game

1. Burke can get into the lane and around the 1st man consistently. As the game progressed he started to adjust to the speed of the game and dropped some passes for dunks. I think in time he will adjust and be able to score. Defensively he was okay. He tracked down a lot of loose balls for rebounds.
2. Jeremy Evans hasn't really improved and isn't a real NBA player. He can only do straight line drives, Alley-oop dunks and stand still jumpers. If he could rebound and not be overpowered all the time, then he could be a backup. As it is I don't think he is worth playing in the real league.
3. Gobert is an impactful defender on the pick and roll. He also can be an effective help defender. He needs to improve his awareness- he over rotated some times. He has no offensive game at all. If he was stronger he could be used to play some minutes.
 
Yeah, I'm seriously pissed. Again, I guess it's my fault for thinking that a grown adult knows how time zones work.

I guess I didn't miss anything good, even though this is probably the only game I would've been able to see.
 
I'm encouraged that Burke had 7 rebounds, but it's way too early to draw any conclusions from that. Chris Paul has a knack for grabbing boards despite his size.
 
PKM said:
It wasn't me but I'm sorry u missed it all the same. Don't read this thread for insight on Burke... holy **** there's some knuckle draggers in here.
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I think you guys are acting like we can not criticize burke in this game.
I don't see people calling him a bust or saying that he sucks but if numb were to ask for a recap on how burke played IN THIS PARTICULAR GAME then you would have to say he looked pretty bad.
That's all..... no need to act like there are all these burke haters all of a sudden due to him getting criticized for one crappy game.
We are just talking about what we saw TODAY, not predicting his future based off today
 
Qman said:
My takeaways from this game

1. Burke can get into the lane and around the 1st man consistently. As the game progressed he started to adjust to the speed of the game and dropped some passes for dunks. I think in time he will adjust and be able to score. Defensively he was okay. He tracked down a lot of loose balls for rebounds.
2. Jeremy Evans hasn't really improved and isn't a real NBA player. He can only do straight line drives, Alley-oop dunks and stand still jumpers. If he could rebound and not be overpowered all the time, then he could be a backup. As it is I don't think he is worth playing in the real league.
3. Gobert is an impactful defender on the pick and roll. He also can be an effective help defender. He needs to improve his awareness- he over rotated some times. He has no offensive game at all. If he was stronger he could be used to play some minutes.
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Great post
 
underKANTER said:
Really? Kanter did pretty good except in the first game and despite being out of shape that time.

His stats: https://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/players/sl_enes_kanter/

He averaged 10.4 PPG / 8.8 RPG / 1.4 APG / 1.2 SPG and 0.8 TPG in just around 25 minutes per game. He shot 50 percent from the floor and 67 percent from free throw line. He was pretty good.
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Yea that is pretty good. But my point was that you can't judge a player by this SL. Lots of people were stating he looked slow, I was one of them. And my point is from my own experience that the SL isn't a fair judge and that Kanter was much better after the SL.
 
Core4 said:
Burke had a rough outing, no argument there. I think he learned he's going to have to make adjustments as his shots were swatted away several times. His defense was better than I expected, though. As NDY posted, his rebound and assist totals were good. He'll be just fine going forward. Three things I took out of today:

1) Alec Burks was playing PG when Burke first rested. That surprised me a bit. Perhaps the Jazz DO see Alec as a combo guard who can play the backup PG position.
2) Gobert is not quite as raw as I thought. Guy is going to be a solid rotation player going forward. He was a force around the rim and was coming out to set picks.
3) For the most part, the Jazz defense was very solid. I know it's just SL, but any improvement is encouraging.

Other players I thought had solid outings: Roberts, Christamas and Mahalbasic.
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This was the post I meant to quote and say " great post" about
 
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