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Burks or Rush?

Just to be clear, I think Burks should be getting 18+ minutes consistently this coming season. I just think Burks stands to benefit more by playing with the second unit (where he'll have more opportunities with the ball in his hands). Further, IF Rush is healthy and able to play close to his 11/12 form, he should be a better complement than Burks to Kanter-Favors-Hayward-Burke. Everyone wins in the long-run.
 
Rush is a one year rental just like Jefferson and Biedrins. He has no emotional ties to this team and probably wishes he was back on Golden State. Therefore, there is no doubt that Burks should start.
 
The best player will start. For all of these guys, the title of 'starter' vs. 'reserve' is a misnomer. It's about minutes and Rush could conceivably start, but receive less PT than Burks overall.

Everyone has to remember that Lindsey was hired in August of last year and that none of our picks outside of this year's drew his influence. He has emotional ties to no one. This is a year where we are going to find out if any of these young guys are part of the long-term plan to build a contender. The only way to find that out is to throw them to the wolves and see what they've got.

Don't take it as a slight if Burks isn't starting; take it as a slight if he's only getting 10 minutes a game.
 
bkralj said:
Rush is a one year rental just like Jefferson and Biedrins. He has no emotional ties to this team and probably wishes he was back on Golden State. Therefore, there is no doubt that Burks should start.
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No offense, but this is idiotic logic.
 
GVC said:
Mostly, yes. The first month+ of his rookie season, and the first two months last season, no.

He played under 10 minutes in only 7 of his last 51 games (averaging 20.1 mpg over that stretch) last season. He played under 10 minutes in only 3 of his last 38 games (averaging 18.7 mpg over that stretch) his rookie season (66 game schedule).

edit: He played in 13 of 14 Jazz games this past January, averaging 16.1 mpg. He played in 22 of 24 Jazz games in March and April, averaging 18.6 mpg. Why is February so special?
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You're doing a magical job of eliminating the context of all of those minutes that was obvious when the games were occurring.

I know you're a fan of beating an argument into the ground and have never once conceded a point here so ill drop it, but a lot of peeps here who were watching consistently know that Burks *was* getting jerked around in the rotation, despite the picture you're trying to paint.
 
Sneakers said:
You're doing a magical job of eliminating the context of all of those minutes that was obvious when the games were occurring.

I know you're a fan of beating an argument into the ground and have never once conceded a point here so ill drop it, but a lot of peeps here who were watching consistently know that Burks *was* getting jerked around in the rotation, despite the picture you're trying to paint.
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GVC is very rarely wrong, donchya know?
 
I haven't read this entire thread, but it seems like the fact that he was playing out of position for a lot of those minutes last year has been under-emphasized.

Is he over-rated on this board? Yes
Has he been in the best situation? No
Lulz my *** off that Bell and Foye were given so much burn at his expense.

We don't know who the **** Burks is.
 
Sneakers said:
You're doing a magical job of eliminating the context of all of those minutes that was obvious when the games were occurring.
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Then provide the context, genius. Perhaps support it with something. Anything.

Sneakers said:
I know you're a fan of beating an argument into the ground and have never once conceded a point here so ill drop it
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Compelling.

Sneakers said:
but a lot of peeps here who were watching consistently know that Burks *was* getting jerked around in the rotation, despite the picture you're trying to paint.
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A lot of people 'think' they know a lot of things. Confirmation bias (alluded to twice in this thread already), compounded with the passage of time, can be very powerful. Consider the possibility that the context you're speaking of isn't quite what you think.

There's enough data that you should be able to construct a reasonable argument. You should at least be able to respond to my arguments with something a little more constructive.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];626501 said:
Lulz my *** off that Bell and Foye were given so much burn at his expense.
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Nitpick: Raja Bell payed a total of 796 minutes over the last 2 seasons. Foye had shown an ability to spot-up prior to last season, and the post heavy Jazz starting lineup required a floor spacer.

Out of position how? Burks played his best ball last season in 2 guard lineups.
 
GVC said:
Nitpick: Raja Bell payed a total of 796 minutes over the last 2 seasons. Foye had shown an ability to spot-up prior to last season, and the post heavy Jazz starting lineup required a floor spacer.

Out of position how? Burks played his best ball last season in 2 guard lineups.
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This. Look, Burks is redundant with Hayward. If he wants to be the starter, he is going to have to be better than Hayward. It is possible you could groom him into a catch and shoot Foye type of player to integrate with the starting unit, but why? Let him develop his handle, and become the 2 guard scoring option off the bench that can play with a Foye type player (hopefully a Foye type with better defense.) He has shown he can succeed in this role. There would be some matchups you could put him in with Hayward, but Ideally one of the two of them would always be in. If he blows up and becomes good enough to demand a starter role, then we can trade either him or Hayward for great assets.

I love Gobert but I hope that he never regularly starts for the Jazz. That would mean something went wrong with Favors or Kanter. I actually like the idea of growing an unstoppable bench to go with our young starters.

Also, depth doesn't hurt in case of injuries.
 
may the best man get the starting spot. I hope the coaches are fair. both are talented, both may mesh better with different units.

oh wait we have a moron for a coach. sometimes do you forget for just a second...?
 
As long as Burks gets a fair shot I'll be thrilled. But after last year's wasted season with Randy Foye at the 2 I'm not holding my breath.

Frickin' DeShawn Stevenson even got 60-70 starts before they decided he wasn't the answer.
 
Start the best 5 guys (Which I think will include Burks) then figure it out from there. If there are shot distribution problems, or lack of firepower from the bench, then make adjustments accordingly.
 
PKM said:
Maybe it's me.. but this sounds absurd. Who cares where they were picked?
It's about evaluating and making a decision for the future. I'm not advocating one or the other, at all, but rather trying to anticipate their moves. I doubt their criteria neither begins nor ends with where a player was drafted.
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He was not saying anything about where anyone was picked,.... he was talking about a 1 year rental playing in front of one of the core four

Jackass
 
GVC said:
Mostly, yes. The first month+ of his rookie season, and the first two months last season, no.

He played under 10 minutes in only 7 of his last 51 games (averaging 20.1 mpg over that stretch) last season. He played under 10 minutes in only 3 of his last 38 games (averaging 18.7 mpg over that stretch) his rookie season (66 game schedule).

edit: He played in 13 of 14 Jazz games this past January, averaging 16.1 mpg. He played in 22 of 24 Jazz games in March and April, averaging 18.6 mpg. Why is February so special?
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Could probably dig up similar stats about josh howard, roger braille, watson, and tinsley.
Corbins coaching and minute distribution has been pretty horrible for a 20/21 year old player to deal with
 
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