jazz predicted second worst team overall

[Saint Cy of JFC]

jazz are not better than minnesota now, its very obvious.
cleveland with irving and others, and being in the eastern conference, better than jazz
new orleans, anderson,holiday,gordon,possibly oden much better than jazz, i see them making playoffs
washington,milwaukee,boston,charlotte,philly are closed boxes.some of them may really be worse, but at least three of them(possibly wiz,bucks and charlotte) will be better than jazz
orlando seems legit with oladipo,harris.given the boston,philly etc. teams went bad, they may have a better record than jazz.
sacramento phoenix jazz boston philly washington will struggle for worst records.

everyone likes overrating young core, but if I know kanter, (which I think I do very well) and also Favors with foul issues, burks seeming struggling, jazz will really have problems in game.
our bench may be the worst, indeed.
but starting five is not good that everyone thinks.

Minnesota: Given Love and Rubio's injury history, it's not unreasonable to think we might be better than Minnesota.

Cleveland: See same reason from Minnesota

New Orleans: See same reasons as above as they pertain to Anthony Davis (All their new pieces are still stat-stuffers on losing teams)

 

[Stoked]

Sloan is not coaching anymore, so the old outperform adage is out. #bestcoachalltime

I disagree. I think the C6 turn heads.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I wasn't aware of that.

His injury usually takes at least 10 months to recover from. Christmas is a friendly estimate. I don't care if he is a Kobe, he is old as **** with a ton of mileage coming back from one of the worst injuries.

 

[Stoked]

jazz are not better than minnesota now, its very obvious.
cleveland with irving and others, and being in the eastern conference, better than jazz
new orleans, anderson,holiday,gordon,possibly oden much better than jazz, i see them making playoffs
washington,milwaukee,boston,charlotte,philly are closed boxes.some of them may really be worse, but at least three of them(possibly wiz,bucks and charlotte) will be better than jazz
orlando seems legit with oladipo,harris.given the boston,philly etc. teams went bad, they may have a better record than jazz.
sacramento phoenix jazz boston philly washington will struggle for worst records.

everyone likes overrating young core, but if I know kanter, (which I think I do very well) and also Favors with foul issues, burks seeming struggling, jazz will really have problems in game.
our bench may be the worst, indeed.
but starting five is not good that everyone thinks.

Minny is better when healthy which is about 25% of a season.
Big Al suddenly makes Charlotte good? Not when they are giving up 130 ppg.
Boston is in full tank.
Philly is going to suck

The C6 does have lots to learn but they are defensively ahead of the starters last year. Foul trouble will be an issue. But people that go off about people exaggerating how good the C6 is respond by cutting them short. They are somewhere in the middle.

I say up to 34 wins and about the 8th pick.

 

[cctrackstar]

All depends on injury. Our 'core # (pick a number, I've heard from four to six) are solid players who have high ceilings. If they get most of the time the team might just be fighting for the last playoff spot. However, if any of them get injured things go down really fast.

 

[Stoked]

His injury usually takes at least 10 months to recover from. Christmas is a friendly estimate. I don't care if he is a Kobe, he is old as **** with a ton of mileage coming back from one of the worst injuries.

I don't pay attention to Kobe at all. If that's true then add them to the list.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Well so do the Jazz and Phoenix, Sacramento, Minnesota, etc. Even taking that into account, that's 4 games against each other and 2 games against the WC non-playoff teams. Maybe a difference of 5-6 wins total? The East still had 5 of the worst 8 teams last year. And two teams NOT in that list (Philadelphia and Boston) are all out tanking this season. The EC could easily have all 7 non-playoff teams at 30 wins or less. Even the team unfortunate enough to get the 8th seed could be in the low 30's.

Difference is that Phoenix and the Jazz are the only two teams that seem to have tanking in mind from the get-go.

Kings are trying to win, at least at the start. They think they have potential to make noise plus they need to get fans in the seats and build back their brand.

New Orleans traded their pick to the Sixers. It's top 5 protected, so you might see them tank if they are right around that 5th pick, but if they are looking at the 8th worst record I doubt you see them just flat out try to out lose everyone. I think they are in the same boat as the Kings in needing to build their brand and start winning.

Minnesota is trying to give Kevin Love a reason to stay. They are in win-now mode. No tanking unless everyone comes down with season-ending injuries to start the season (given their luck, very possible).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Difference is that Phoenix and the Jazz are the only two teams that seem to have tanking in mind from the get-go.

Kings are trying to win, at least at the start. They think they have potential to make noise plus they need to get fans in the seats and build back their brand.

New Orleans traded their pick to the Sixers. It's top 5 protected, so you might see them tank if they are right around that 5th pick, but if they are looking at the 8th worst record I doubt you see them just flat out try to out lose everyone. I think they are in the same boat as the Kings in needing to build their brand and start winning.

Minnesota is trying to give Kevin Love a reason to stay. They are in win-now mode. No tanking unless everyone comes down with season-ending injuries to start the season (given their luck, very possible).

And by saying "Full Tank" I mean the Suns and Jazz have assured their young guys are their best guys and don't have any competition for PT. I would put Orlando, Utah, Philly, Phoenix, and Boston in the category. None of these teams have made moves for immediate help. Not that I think any of these teams are going to intentionally lose or not play their best guys (besides Boston who clearly have a road block in their tank called "Rajon Rondo"), but the point of the FO movements have been to provide whoever is left with as little help as possible to achieve a dual purpose of testing young players and not winning if those players don't get it right away.

You are seeing the Kings bring in vets to compete (Landry, Vasquez).
The Hornets traded for Holiday and are trying for Oden.
Bobcats went signed Jefferson.
Hawks got Millsap.
Detroit got Josh Smith.
Bucks signed OJ Mayo.
Wizard's didn't make any notable signings (other than re-upping Webster) but they are at a point where they need to justify giving a UK bust a huge contract.
Cleveland went out and got Bynum.
Toronto hasn't made any huge signings, but they also haven't dumped guys like Gay/Derozan/Lowry
Dallas signed Ellis and Calderon.
T'Wolves are obviously trying to win to keep Love.

Those are all the Non-Playoff teams from last year that I don't consider to be in "Full Tank". Now any of those teams above can go into tank mode after a disappointing 1st half, but I don't see any of them outright losing from the get-go. By that time they will be too far ahead (or behind, depending on your view point) of the real tankers to really catch up for the bottom 3 records.

 

[loserslose]

minny is a 0.500 team in average health situation.will be ahead of jazz, guaranteed
if boston,philly,charlotte they all gonna suck, this will make cleveland way better also.
maybe not scraps, but jazz will not gonna be better than these teams.
al jefferson is a decent option at offense.you say whatever to him, but he's gonna add at least 10 wins to charlotte.
boston may be in tanking but they still got rondo,who is better than all jazz starters.
no words for philly.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Yes, CT, I'm not even counting on the WC teams being worse than the Jazz. I'm predicting ALL the WC teams (except Phoenix) finish with better records than the Jazz. My point was, the terrible EC teams play each other EVERY year. And last year, five of the eight worst teams in the NBA were in the EC. Boston and Philadelphia (not in the 8 worst) arguably, may be the bottom 2 teams this season. So throw in all those teams as a group (the 7 non-playoff EC teams, Utah and Phoenix). That's nine teams. I think it's pretty easy to predict the Jazz being in the 7-9 range instead of 4-6. And that isn't even factoring in another WC team slipping, You could make an argument for the Lakers or even Dallas. They're both in a world of hurt, have semi-decent starters, WHEN healthy, but weak benches.

I am really hoping for strong seasons from Detroit, Charlotte, Milwaukee and Toronto competing for the 7th and 8th seeds in the East. I'm counting on New Orleans, Minnesota and Sacramento to make progress and for the LA Lakers and Dallas to have just enough talent and pride to keep them fighting for relevancy.

Phoenix actually has decent depth. They might have s shot at finishing ahead of the Jazz, especially with a hungry new coach.

 

[franklin]

I disagree. I think the C6 turn heads.

Spins my head right round like a record. What do you disregree with tho?

 

[jazzfan1971]

If I can get some time I'm going to rank all 30 teams myself. With win projections.

But, I do think we're going to be pretty bad. We'll hang with teams while our starters are in. I have no doubt of that. But, when it comes time for the subs to step on the floor we're going to be going from even to down 4 in a matter of minutes. And it's going to be very difficult for our starters to make that up night in and night out. And if we have any injuries to our starters oy vey.

So folks, please temper your expectations. Otherwise you are going to have a very rough season. If you are expecting the 2nd worst team in the league you will have an easier time accepting all the losses.

 

[Zulu]

Phili, Phoenix, utah....

That's ur bottom three!!!!!

For reasons why see cy's posts!!!

 

[candrew]

Measurements like this at this time are pretty useless. But I'm sticking to my prediction that The Jazz start out horrible the first month and then play about 500 ball the rest of the season. Where that puts them compared to the rest of the league I have no idea; but if they finished second worst I'd be shocked. Every year, of the bottom 8 teams, 5 of them are blatantly tanking. And unless a player like Hayward, Favors or Kanter went down with a season ending injury, I don't see this franchise doing that just to get more ping pong balls.

 

[bigmanUTE]

even if we have a decent starting 5 we will have one of the top 3 worst benches in the nba. beidrins jefferson and rush screams TANK! our bench pretty much guarantees we lose every close game down the stretch. this team will win 25 games MAYBE 30. but honestly by looking how deep the west is we could easily end up with a worse record than any of the eastern teams even if our team is better.

 

[Stifle Tower]

If I can get some time I'm going to rank all 30 teams myself. With win projections.

But, I do think we're going to be pretty bad. We'll hang with teams while our starters are in. I have no doubt of that. But, when it comes time for the subs to step on the floor we're going to be going from even to down 4 in a matter of minutes. And it's going to be very difficult for our starters to make that up night in and night out. And if we have any injuries to our starters oy vey.

So folks, please temper your expectations. Otherwise you are going to have a very rough season. If you are expecting the 2nd worst team in the league you will have an easier time accepting all the losses.

I agree. But there's also a chance Rush, Marvin Williams and Burks really surprise us on the 2nd unit, with Evans and Gobert taking turns skying for alley-oops. Like you, I'm expecting the starters to be fairly competitive, but also to disappear some nights and for the bigs to struggle with foul problems. I'm sticking by my prediction of 35 wins as the ceiling and 28 as the most likely. All bets off if there is an injury to one of the true C4 (I don't put Alec in that category yet).

 

[Avery]

Having the worst overall record is seemingly cursed even though the numbers would suggest this shouldn't be. I think we're a 5-8 team when all is said and done in terms of overall record.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Having the worst overall record is seemingly cursed even though the numbers would suggest this shouldn't be. I think we're a 5-8 team when all is said and done in terms of overall record.

Yes, but even having one or two teams jump ahead wouldn't be too bad. Guarantees either Randall or Jabari. I just hope the Jazz aren't in 6th and slide to 9th.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yes, CT, I'm not even counting on the WC teams being worse than the Jazz. I'm predicting ALL the WC teams (except Phoenix) finish with better records than the Jazz. My point was, the terrible EC teams play each other EVERY year. And last year, five of the eight worst teams in the NBA were in the EC. Boston and Philadelphia (not in the 8 worst) arguably, may be the bottom 2 teams this season. So throw in all those teams as a group (the 7 non-playoff EC teams, Utah and Phoenix). That's nine teams. I think it's pretty easy to predict the Jazz being in the 7-9 range instead of 4-6. And that isn't even factoring in another WC team slipping, You could make an argument for the Lakers or even Dallas. They're both in a world of hurt, have semi-decent starters, WHEN healthy, but weak benches.

I am really hoping for strong seasons from Detroit, Charlotte, Milwaukee and Toronto competing for the 7th and 8th seeds in the East. I'm counting on New Orleans, Minnesota and Sacramento to make progress and for the LA Lakers and Dallas to have just enough talent and pride to keep them fighting for relevancy.

Phoenix actually has decent depth. They might have s shot at finishing ahead of the Jazz, especially with a hungry new coach.

They may have a little more depth, but this starting lineup is clearly worse IMO. Morris twins suck.

Plus their rookie plays the same position as their best player, so they will most likely have a lot of mysterious Gortat injuries, or just outright trade him later in the season.

 

[Hotdog]

I agree. But there's also a chance Rush, Marvin Williams and Burks really surprise us on the 2nd unit, with Evans and Gobert taking turns skying for alley-oops. Like you, I'm expecting the starters to be fairly competitive, but also to disappear some nights and for the bigs to struggle with foul problems. I'm sticking by my prediction of 35 wins as the ceiling and 28 as the most likely. All bets off if there is an injury to one of the true C4 (I don't put Alec in that category yet).

Boooo.

Dude, are you half retarded? You seriously put Burke ahead of Burks in the "true C4"? So, you kicked Alec out for Trey, who has shown nothing to this point?


Its the C7 anyways.