Game Thread: Utah @ BYU, Sat. 9/21 8:15pm MT, ESPN2

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I was writing my post when you typed your ineffectual surrender. Nice try.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't follow. I think the idea that we're supposed to feel bad for Hadley or that he's some kind of hero is unbelievably dumb and can only be obviously, transparently bias-driven.

When I read the article I didn't think that I was supposed to feel bad for Hadley or think he is some kind of hero.

I read the article and thought, oh that's cool that byu went to the prison and talked with the inmates and then inmates seemed to feel good about it and get some inspiration from it..... Then I moved on.

I am really pretty surprised that the article stirred things up so much.

 

[fishonjazz]

I was writing my post when you typed your ineffectual surrender. Nice try.

My point this whole time has been that this article is not that horrible, and not that big of a deal..... So ya I surrender I guess.

Also fixed, I admit I was wrong about things quite often and also change my mind a lot..... so surrendering in an argument is something I do frequently and I don't see that as big deal either.
Im sorry if my inability to continue arguing against you or anyone else after I have realized I am wrong is something that upsets you in the future.

 

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The article is NOT ABOUT byu going to prison. The article IS ABOUT hadley. So, if the spirit moved you with respect to a peripheral detail, then that's sweet. But it's silly to enter a discussion about an article insisting that we talk about what it ISN'T ABOUT.

a non-horrible bias puff piece? That's quite a niche you've created for a piece of writing.

 

[fishonjazz]

The article is NOT ABOUT byu going to prison. The article IS ABOUT hadley. So, if the spirit moved you with respect to a peripheral detail, then that's sweet. But it's silly to enter a discussion about an article insisting that we talk about what it ISN'T ABOUT.

a non-horrible bias puff piece? That's quite a niche you've created for a piece of writing.

Ok

 

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Ok

This is a more effective surrender

 

[green]

Year after year I hate the utes less and less and even find myself liking a lot of their players, and then ute fans show me how much hate they have for anything byu related and it just makes it tough to like the utes.

Byu does a good deed and goes to the prison to try to help out some inmates.... Lets bash em.
Hadley goes out and has some drinks at a club, something lots of us do myself included, byu suspends him for five games for it..... Lets bash em.

Ute students make a video making fun of missionaries..... barely a word is said about it.
Seems about right.

LOL. You don't realize how silly you are, do you? Again, this is why I love BYU and HATE BYU fan. YOU WERE THE ONE THAT STARTED ALL THIS. YOU WERE THE ONE THAT BACKED THE ARTICLE THAT SAID ALL UTE FANS WERE TRASH AND BLAMED UTAH FOR HADLEY DRINKING ALCOHOL.

YOU. Not Utah.

Then you bring up the Blechen video. Again, YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS MAKING SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING.

Get over yourself. Unreal. Again, you guys live in la la land.

 

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Im one of the more vocal byu fans on jazzfanz and I don't believe I have ever said a word about any of the accusations about ute fans.

Again.... ute fans talk way more **** about byu than byu fans do about the utes.

Byu goes to the prison to try to do some good..... Talk **** about it. Why?

You keep asking the question. Here, once again, is the answer:

"Hadley's problems started when a Utah fan going by the name Darren Lucy sent an email to Utes associate athletic director for compliance Kate Charipar. "

So, Hadley's problems didn't start when he decided to break the HC. They started when he was caught. And it was Utah's fault he was caught.

"I had no intention of mentioning the game in the book, but the extreme profanity and vile abuse I witnessed that night caught me off guard. Utah fans spit on BYU players and taunted BYU fans by mocking the school's honor code. In one sense it reminded of the 1980s when the Notre Dame-Miami rivalry was cast as The Catholics versus The Convicts. But the BYU-Utah rivalry has a certain us-versus-them tone. Only it is Mormons versus Mormons."

This is such typical BYU behavior. Hadley's problems were because he got caught and Ute fans spit and swear and pour beer on everyone.

Again, get over yourselves. YOU guys are the jerks. YOU guys are who Elder Holland and Pres Uchtdorf are talking to. YOU.

*cue Michael Jackson's "Man in the Mirror"*

 

[fishonjazz]

LOL. You don't realize how silly you are, do you? Again, this is why I love BYU and HATE BYU fan. YOU WERE THE ONE THAT STARTED ALL THIS. YOU WERE THE ONE THAT BACKED THE ARTICLE THAT SAID ALL UTE FANS WERE TRASH AND BLAMED UTAH FOR HADLEY DRINKING ALCOHOL.

YOU. Not Utah.

Then you bring up the Blechen video. Again, YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS MAKING SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING.

Get over yourself. Unreal. Again, you guys live in la la land.

I didn't even know blechen was in the video lol.
I didn't and still don't care about the video.

My point was that no one really made a big deal of people (blechen apparently) making fun of missionaries but a guy embellishes an article about byu talking to inmates and it becomes a big deal.

 

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The recent discussion in this thread has been about byu going to the prison.

On this page of this thread alone I have posted in semi defense of byu, spazz has posted as well.

Then you have ugli, fixed, jazzman12, numberica, green on the attack because byu tried to do a good deed.

You keep asking the question. Here, once again, is the answer:

"Hadley's problems started when a Utah fan going by the name Darren Lucy sent an email to Utes associate athletic director for compliance Kate Charipar. "

So, Hadley's problems didn't start when he decided to break the HC. They started when he was caught. And it was Utah's fault he was caught.

"I had no intention of mentioning the game in the book, but the extreme profanity and vile abuse I witnessed that night caught me off guard. Utah fans spit on BYU players and taunted BYU fans by mocking the school's honor code. In one sense it reminded of the 1980s when the Notre Dame-Miami rivalry was cast as The Catholics versus The Convicts. But the BYU-Utah rivalry has a certain us-versus-them tone. Only it is Mormons versus Mormons."

This is such typical BYU behavior. Hadley's problems were because he got caught and Ute fans spit and swear and pour beer on everyone.

Again, get over yourselves. YOU guys are the jerks. YOU guys are who Elder Holland and Pres Uchtdorf are talking to. YOU.

*cue Michael Jackson's "Man in the Mirror"*

 

[fishonjazz]

YOU WERE THE ONE THAT BACKED THE ARTICLE THAT SAID ALL UTE FANS WERE TRASH AND BLAMED UTAH FOR HADLEY DRINKING ALCOHOL.

YOU. Not Utah.

Huh... this is news to me but I will just take your word for it cause I know you would never embellish or exagerrate anything so what you say must be true

 

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I didn't even know blechen was in the video lol.
I didn't and still don't care about the video.

My point was that no one really made a big deal of people (blechen apparently) making fun of missionaries but a guy embellishes an article about byu talking to inmates and it becomes a big deal.

BECAUSE IT WASN'T MAKING FUN OF MISSIONARIES (ONLY DUMB BYU FANS WOULD GET THAT FROM THAT VIDEO) AND THE ARTICLE IS HOW IT IS UTAH'S FAULT FOR HADLEY GETTING CAUGHT AND UTE FANS ARE MEAN.

Big difference between the two. Perfect zoob logic on display here.

 

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Huh... this is news to me but I will just take your word for it cause I know you would never embellish or exagerrate anything so what you say must be true

Wow. I said this:

"YOU WERE THE ONE THAT BACKED THE ARTICLE"

The article said this:


"Hadley's problems started when a Utah fan going by the name Darren Lucy sent an email to Utes associate athletic director for compliance Kate Charipar. "

and this:

"I had no intention of mentioning the game in the book, but the extreme profanity and vile abuse I witnessed that night caught me off guard. Utah fans spit on BYU players and taunted BYU fans by mocking the school's honor code. In one sense it reminded of the 1980s when the Notre Dame-Miami rivalry was cast as The Catholics versus The Convicts. But the BYU-Utah rivalry has a certain us-versus-them tone. Only it is Mormons versus Mormons."

Who is doing the embellishment? Come one now. Do what Colton did and realize that you guys are in the wrong here and back out.

 

[fishonjazz]

You keep asking the question. Here, once again, is the answer:

"Hadley's problems started when a Utah fan going by the name Darren Lucy sent an email to Utes associate athletic director for compliance Kate Charipar. "

So, Hadley's problems didn't start when he decided to break the HC. They started when he was caught. And it was Utah's fault he was caught.

"I had no intention of mentioning the game in the book, but the extreme profanity and vile abuse I witnessed that night caught me off guard. Utah fans spit on BYU players and taunted BYU fans by mocking the school's honor code. In one sense it reminded of the 1980s when the Notre Dame-Miami rivalry was cast as The Catholics versus The Convicts. But the BYU-Utah rivalry has a certain us-versus-them tone. Only it is Mormons versus Mormons."

This is such typical BYU behavior. Hadley's problems were because he got caught and Ute fans spit and swear and pour beer on everyone.

Again, get over yourselves. YOU guys are the jerks. YOU guys are who Elder Holland and Pres Uchtdorf are talking to. YOU.

*cue Michael Jackson's "Man in the Mirror"*

Once all the info came out about the hadley situation I stated in this thread that it was hadleys own fault.

I have never said anything about ute fans behavior at football games.

Wow green, you embellish way more than the guy who wrote the prison fireside story

 

[fishonjazz]

THE ARTICLE IS HOW IT IS UTAH'S FAULT FOR HADLEY GETTING CAUGHT AND UTE FANS ARE MEAN.

Actually the arcticle was about hadley speaking to inmates at a prison and the writer making it sound more special and important that it was.

I think you think that we have been discussing the hadley getting caught drinking situation when that is not what has been discussed recently

 

[Jazz Spazz]

The part I think is outlandish is the slow clap and the "chanting byu louder than in any stadium."

It's very cool of byu's players to visit the prison and talk with those incarcerated. Not ripping on that at all. Ripping on the writer for embellishing the truth, therefore detracting from the good deeds the players may have been doing that night.

Close your eyes and imagine it going down the way the writer layed it out. They wouldn't even put that in a movie because everyone would laugh.


£¥£ Retiring at 20,000 £¥£

 

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Once all the info came out about the hadley situation I stated in this thread that it was hadleys own fault.

I have never said anything about ute fans behavior at football games.

Wow green, you embellish way more than the guy who wrote the prison fireside story

Please, instead of talking in all these generalities as BYU fans do, show me where I have embellished. There is a quote button to help you do so.

 

[fishonjazz]

Please, instead of talking in all these generalities as BYU fans do, show me where I have embellished. There is a quote button to help you do so.

YOU WERE THE ONE THAT STARTED ALL THIS. YOU WERE THE ONE THAT BACKED THE ARTICLE THAT SAID ALL UTE FANS WERE TRASH AND BLAMED UTAH FOR HADLEY DRINKING ALCOHOL.

YOU

There, I used the quote button for ya.
YOU WERE THE ONE THAT STARTED ALL THIS. YOU WERE THE ONE THAT BACKED THE ARTICLE THAT SAID ALL UTE FANS WERE TRASH AND BLAMED UTAH FOR HADLEY DRINKING ALCOHOL.

I don't think I started "all this" (though I definitely contributed more than I should have)..... I didn't back any article that said all ute fans were trash and blamed Utah for Hadley drinking alcohol.

Green, YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SAID HADLEY IS GAY AND ALL MORMONS SHOULD BURN IN HELL!
YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SAID BYU FANS ARE ALL A BUNCH OF CLASSLESS DICKS.

See I can say that you said a bunch of stuff that you didn't actually say too.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Geez... a lot of blowharding going on recently in this thread. Yes, yes.. you are so smart and BYU fans, article writers, and players are wrong for anything they do or say on general principal. I'm pretty sure we get it by now. It's cool and I think it's okay if you like to pontificate and the sound of your own voice. It doesn't bother me really.

We done? Can we move on with our lives and let this thread die, or you want to get the last word in and keep this thing alive?

I say we set aside our differences and unite in our love of the Jazz. What say ye? Can I get a slow clap, followed by a Jazz chant, and a Jazz puff piece article written by the ever cuddly Huge?

 

[fishonjazz]

Geez... a lot of blowharding going on recently in this thread. Yes, yes.. you are so smart and BYU fans, article writers, and players are wrong for anything they do or say on general principal. I'm pretty sure we get it by now. It's cool and I think it's okay if you like to pontificate and the sound of your own voice. It doesn't bother me really.

We done? Can we move on with our lives and let this thread die, or you want to get the last word in and keep this thing alive?

I say we set aside our differences and unite in our love of the Jazz. What say ye? Can I get a slow clap, followed by a Jazz chant, and a Jazz puff piece article written by the ever cuddly Huge?

Im down with this idea..... Hell I have wasted too much time in here today already anyways.
I had planned on sweeping and mopping my living room, vacuuming the couches, and doing laundry while watching lots of college football and im way behind now so peace out.