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What happened to the Jazz O?

The Thriller

The Thriller

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What happened to our offense?

I remember in a time not too long ago when our offense was a strong point. We set picks, we made good cuts, and got easy looks and high percentage shots.

Today? Everything is one on one and usually a jump shot from the perimeter.

The 03-04 jazz team could kick this team's *** despite this team being superior at nearly every position.

What's the point of having J Slo around the Jazz if he can't influence Ty to stop run in Sacramento King ball? Hell, the Heat run more of an offense than we do.
 
The Jazz offense the last couple seasons was much better than the Jazz offense in 03/04.
 
What happened to our offense?

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Offense looked fine when we didn't have all those D-league scrubs in. When Favors and Kanter and Hayward were on the bench we only played from the perimeter. Second unit will be a big weakness this year.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Offense looked fine when we didn't have all those D-league scrubs in. When Favors and Kanter and Hayward were on the bench we only played from the perimeter. Second unit will be a big weakness this year.
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Isn't this what we all expected/wanted?
 
GVC said:
The Jazz offense the last couple seasons was much better than the Jazz offense in 03/04.
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Usually you make good points but here you missing the target badly. Heavy iso/left block dominated Alfense was nowhere near the free flowing two guard motion offense Jazz run in 2003-2004.
 
AKMVP said:
Usually you make good points but here you missing the target badly. Heavy iso/left block dominated Alfense was nowhere near the free flowing two guard motion offense Jazz run in 2003-2004.
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I'm not moved by style over substance arguments.

1. Statistically, the 03/04 Jazz offense was not good (27th of 29 in points per game, 19th in points per possession). The 11/12 and 12/13 Jazz offenses (4th/6th and 13th/10th respectively by the same measures) were quite good.

2. Which shows that personnel matters. Al, despite his defensive and teamplay warts, was most responsible for the Jazz's top 10 offenses these past two seasons. Had the Jazz played a "free flowing two guard notion offense" with their collection of garbage perimeter players and Al, a dude who only sees the ball, his man and the basket, the results would have been terrible.


The 11/12 and 12/13 teams had better records and better peripheral team stats than the 03/04 team. I'm curious why anyone would be confident the 03/04 team would easily beat the 11/12 and 12/13 teams. Seems like emotional ******** to me.
 
The Thriller said:
What happened to our offense?

I remember in a time not too long ago when our offense was a strong point. We set picks, we made good cuts, and got easy looks and high percentage shots.

Today? Everything is one on one and usually a jump shot from the perimeter.

The 03-04 jazz team could kick this team's *** despite this team being superior at nearly every position.

What's the point of having J Slo around the Jazz if he can't influence Ty to stop run in Sacramento King ball? Hell, the Heat run more of an offense than we do.
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Timmy!
 
Haven't read the posts yet, but perhaps they signed for other teams? Al? Millsap? Mo? All three of them offensive threats, all three hated by large portions of this board, all three undersized or non athletic, All three carried the offense on their shoulders. Honorable mention to Foye for being the only player on the floor who when he shot a three folks expected it to go in.

Understand, I knew they needed go too, I just want the haters to realize that they wanted this. We may be closer to Wiggins than anyone really thought possible.
 
GVC said:
I'm not moved by style over substance arguments.

1. Statistically, the 03/04 Jazz offense was not good (27th of 29 in points per game, 19th in points per possession). The 11/12 and 12/13 Jazz offenses (4th/6th and 13th/10th respectively by the same measures) were quite good.
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Does anyone think the 03/04 Jazz would actually score over a hundred points on this years Jazz defense?

I know this thread was about Jazz offense, but still......

When the good players were on the floor, the offense was pretty free flowing when I was at the Portland game.
Especially for Kanter (not even 100 percent yet), and Haywards stats are looking even better than I expected.
 
GVC said:
I'm not moved by style over substance arguments.

1. Statistically, the 03/04 Jazz offense was not good (27th of 29 in points per game, 19th in points per possession). The 11/12 and 12/13 Jazz offenses (4th/6th and 13th/10th respectively by the same measures) were quite good.

2. Which shows that personnel matters. Al, despite his defensive and teamplay warts, was most responsible for the Jazz's top 10 offenses these past two seasons. Had the Jazz played a "free flowing two guard notion offense" with their collection of garbage perimeter players and Al, a dude who only sees the ball, his man and the basket, the results would have been terrible.


The 11/12 and 12/13 teams had better records and better peripheral team stats than the 03/04 team. I'm curious why anyone would be confident the 03/04 team would easily beat the 11/12 and 12/13 teams. Seems like emotional ******** to me.
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Good points, but I don't think anybody here was saying 2003-2004 team would easily beat 11/12 and 12/13 teams, I think Thriller was pointing that 03/04 team would beat THIS Jazz team ( 13/14 team).
When it comes to offensive rating there is still lots of factors to consider. Overall strength of the league, rules, less physical contact allowed now than in 03/04, etc. 12/13 team won only 1 game more then 03/04 despite 5pt difference in Offensive ranking. I would be interested to see what FG% difference, 3 pts attempt and free throw attempt difference we had in those years as points per possession is not 100% correlating to effectiveness of offense in my opinion.
 
Last year there were times the second unit just couldn't score. Like at all.

I kind of expected serious offensive struggles this year.

Our O is going to have to come from our D for a while.
 
Gameface said:
Last year there were times the second unit just couldn't score. Like at all.

I kind of expected serious offensive struggles this year.

Our O is going to have to come from our D for a while.
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Yup. Growing pains. But that's what this season is all about. They'll be better next year, if they can hold onto Favors and Hayward.
 
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