Hayward & Jazz - not close to agreement (Hayward leaving 4/40 on the table)
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It's lame. It's racist. I'm super tired of that particular joke.
Sorry if that hurts your feelings. Feel free to neg me back.
It's also a pretty ****ing stupid thing to believe.
Mr. McGibblets
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Locke said yesterday that he has heard from reporters around the country who he thinks have a very accurate source, that Hayward's camp is asking for a 4 year/$50 million ($12.5 MM/year). I hope Locke is right and I'm glad Hayward really wasn't holding out and demanding something $13MM or more.
b_line
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That is 1.2m per less than the max to start, and the max would go up each year at 7.5%, so that is significantly less than the max that we keep hearing Hayward is talking about. That makes me think they are going to settle in the middle, about 45 or 46 million for 4 years.
So it wasn't a joke. You truly believe the Jazz make personnel decisions based on skin color. What a dumbass.
Yep. Something that has been so completely untrue, yet people like green really believe. If only it wasn't for white people and the Jazz organization's love of them we would have multiple championships by now.
CALJAZZFAN
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Make it 20 points and add 1.5 steals and 1 block per game and I'm on board.
akirac73
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I think 18 ppg is attainable, everything else...unlikely.
akirac73
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Well...even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Except that coloradojazz is still wrong.
That's just a stupid argument coming from you. Hayward isn't worth 10 million being the player he has been, so if he doesn't get better, you can't possibly justify this $13 million-max money that you're flicking your bean to.
Hayward is a known quality. A talented player who has average 14.1 and 3 rebounds last year. No one at this point knows what Gordon will do this year with more responsibility. If he steps up and averages 20 pts a game with similar shooting percentages than give him his money but if he averages 15-16 points with lower percentages than I say he has shown what he is a very good role player. Gordon has been pretty inconsistent during his short tenure with Utah. He needs to become more consistent.
What criteria are you using to predict that Wiggins won't stay in Utah? The kid went to prep school in West Virginia and he is going to college in Kansas. Not exactly huge metro areas. How do you know if Hayward wants to stay? Favors signed his extension saying he wanted to stay. While Gordon passed on the first offer, so maybe he doesn't want to be here. Where is his girlfriend from?
On all accounts Wiggins has been described as a good kid and teammate.
Well if he doesn't want to be here then the Jazz should trade him, they have options. If Wiggins or Parker or Exum or Randle are as good as advertised they will be better than Hayward at 1/3 of the price. The Jazz will have more options if they trade him. Just because he hasn't sign the extension doesn't mean he won't return. The Jazz need to let him go if he is given the Max unless he proves to be a MAX player on a winning team. So far that is unknown.
It is just business and in business you have to be smart or you find yourself in the poor house.
b_line
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So if Hayward is asking for 4 years 52 million, that is about 11 million total below the max. The max contract hayward can be signed to is 4 years and about 62.5 million, or 5 years and about 80 million.
When people say that he is asking for "near max", at 13 million per year, that is not entirely true, as the max does start at 13.7 million, but it would end up being closer to 17 million per year on a 4 year contract, as the max has 7.5% raises per year.
So it looks like Hayward's camp does not think he is a max player.
Is he worth over 11 million per year to the Jazz? If they split the difference in the demands from either side, that would be 4/46, or 11.5 million per year. It is a little much, but if Hayward improves about 15% from his per 36, and is able to improve his shooting percentage in the future (not likely this season) then he is probably worth about that per year.
15% improvement is not out of the question, but becoming a superstar and max player probably is for Hayward.
When people say that he is asking for "near max", at 13 million per year, that is not entirely true, as the max does start at 13.7 million, but it would end up being closer to 17 million per year on a 4 year contract, as the max has 7.5% raises per year.
So it looks like Hayward's camp does not think he is a max player.
Is he worth over 11 million per year to the Jazz? If they split the difference in the demands from either side, that would be 4/46, or 11.5 million per year. It is a little much, but if Hayward improves about 15% from his per 36, and is able to improve his shooting percentage in the future (not likely this season) then he is probably worth about that per year.
15% improvement is not out of the question, but becoming a superstar and max player probably is for Hayward.
Just heard Locke on the radio and I think he made a great point. He said that he thinks that both sides are essentially negotiating in good faith and trying to find a way to make it work but that both sides can make a great case for walking away from the table (basically that Hayward would be the third best player on a contender and you just can't pay that for a guy like that while Hayward is poised to put up a bunch of fake stats on a bad team and all it takes is one GM to blow the dough).
I really want to keep Hayward, but you can't be dumb about it. The next couple of days are going to be interesting, but not as interesting as the following eight months if they don't come to an agreement.
I really want to keep Hayward, but you can't be dumb about it. The next couple of days are going to be interesting, but not as interesting as the following eight months if they don't come to an agreement.
I like Hayward. He's a player the Jazz drafted and I'm a fan of the Jazz. from that perspective I want them to pay to keep him. But if I back away just a little I can remind myself that overpaying can kill a franchise for years and years. Not just until the contract is up, but for decades based on the possible opportunities that having bad contracts can cause the team to pass up.
Could this be a possible Dominique Wilkins reference? (which isn't to say that the Jazz had bad contracts, just that finances matter)
I like Hayward a lot.
With that said, I think 4/44 (if offered) is way more than fair and he should jump on it like a hot 18 year old (oh...he does that already
)Anything more is overpaid