I agree except the idea that there are people who love Ty. I can name one person and I'm not sure if he loves Ty or despises the faulty logic used to criticize him. My guess is the latter.
For all the fire Ty people:
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I agree except the idea that there are people who love Ty. I can name one person and I'm not sure if he loves Ty or despises the faulty logic used to criticize him. My guess is the latter.
Litany
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The suns are 5-4. They are playing nice basketball and exceeding expectations and people are glaring about them
Is rather be talked about for the next decade after getting wiggins than be the overachievers forever after missing out on the superstar.
We will get our coach next year to lead us to the promised land after getting a top 4 this year.
Is rather be talked about for the next decade after getting wiggins than be the overachievers forever after missing out on the superstar.
We will get our coach next year to lead us to the promised land after getting a top 4 this year.
There are 2-3 players that would make that true. I say Parker is better for the Jazz.
Litany
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True.
But Portland is pretty good. But what you're are pointing out is what teams that hover around .500 do. Beat all the baddies and get in some other good wins. They'll be in the 8-12 pick range. In other words draft hell.
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I agree. I don't think Jerry would take the job at this point. The only way I could see Jerry filling in is if Ty quits.
I don't think people realize how old Jerry is. I love the guy, but his time has passed. He's tired.
Very much this. Going back to Sloan is not the answer.
Litany
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I could get behind this too but what kind of loss lead is safe for when people start playing 5 Pfs which other teams will do and the Jazz won't.
HighlandHomie
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That has nothing to do with why people want Ty fired. It has everything to do with not having displayed an ability to install an offensive system since he's taken over, repeatedly mismanaging the rotation since he's taken over and not being able to develop any of our young players' defensive fundamentals needed in the NBA. Whether it's because he can't motivate or the players don't respect him enough to fear him, the Jazz have been playing with the competitiveness of a disinterested hipster in high school gym class. That is also a major problem.
I don't have a specific replacement, but I respect Lindsey and O'Connor enough to be able to identify another coach somewhere (or currently unemployed) that can do a good job.
The major question is if Greg Miller has put major financial constraints on the basketball decision makers in regards to a coach and his staff.
candrew
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The last I checked neither one is under contract past their rookie deals. If The Jazz are convinced they can't succeed with them, then I'm all for getting rid of them too.
It was time for Jerry to go and people forget that Sloan quit. He said he had enough.
Actually Portland is 9-2 beside a win is a win as far as the standings go. Denver is now 6-5, I believe, too lazy to check.
candrew
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I dunno - the way they're playing right now, I'd say it's a safe bet The Jazz are going into New Years with less than 8 wins.
I'm predicting somewhere between 7-27 to 4-30.
candrew
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The Jazz Wonderbra
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Who do you bring in?
Lionel Hollins
Nate Mcmillan
George Karl
Doug Collins
Lawrence Frank
Vinny Del Negro
What coach is going to come in a coach this team? Or better yet, what GOOD coach is going to take that on? You do realize, that there is a good chance that if you take over this team, you won't win any more games than Ty? It might not be as ugly, but a loss is a loss. If you are Karl, or SVG, or Lionel, why do you take on this mess now? No matter what you do, you will probably lose, and when you do, morons on message boards and sitting in the stands will boo you, and there will be a chance that you are fired at the end of the season.
Why not enjoy your time off, and then take over this team in June, when you have the #1 pick, a boatload of cash for FA's and players that you can get to rally around you, because you didn't lose 50 games with them the previous season?
ANSWER: Can you go down? NOPE. Your team is going to have a top draft pick in 6 months. You have a very young talented squad... the best GM in the league... and a hungry franchise. What's not to like?
Lionel Hollins
Nate Mcmillan
George Karl
Doug Collins
Lawrence Frank
Vinny Del Negro
What coach is going to come in a coach this team? Or better yet, what GOOD coach is going to take that on? You do realize, that there is a good chance that if you take over this team, you won't win any more games than Ty? It might not be as ugly, but a loss is a loss. If you are Karl, or SVG, or Lionel, why do you take on this mess now? No matter what you do, you will probably lose, and when you do, morons on message boards and sitting in the stands will boo you, and there will be a chance that you are fired at the end of the season.
Why not enjoy your time off, and then take over this team in June, when you have the #1 pick, a boatload of cash for FA's and players that you can get to rally around you, because you didn't lose 50 games with them the previous season?
ANSWER: Can you go down? NOPE. Your team is going to have a top draft pick in 6 months. You have a very young talented squad... the best GM in the league... and a hungry franchise. What's not to like?
Lionel Hollis has proved he's got what it takes IMO.
So do you attend practice and this is why you "know" what the coach tells the players. Beside the fact coaching is only a small part of being an NBA coach in the NBA. Coaching in the NBA has more to do with managing the players. Most of these players have been playing basketball for years so once they learn your system it becomes more about the players. I've watch the Jazz play and many times the players are in perfect position but if you can't make 40 percent of your shots it makes it look worse than it really is. The FACT that the Jazz have one of the worse benches in the NBA has more to do with the GM and his decision to completely rebuild than how poorly the coach is.
I 'm not saying I know what is going on either because I am not in the inner circle of the Jazz. I just say most people hated Corbin from the start and he was given a bad hand to begin with. The things that people complain about are some of the same things they complained about under Sloan.
Bad defensive rotations, missed FTs (how is that the coaches fault), poor outside shooting (Jazz miss a TON of open shots) and poor roster management. People are also forgetting that Burke (top PG), Rush, Marvin Williams (could have made a difference in OKC and Phoenix games), Biedrins and Evans have been hurt. Now these guys may or may not be world beaters but they would have made a difference. I certainly want to believe the Jazz wouldn't be 1-11.
Does Ty deserve criticism? Certainly but the hatred is at ridiculous levels. I would be surprised if they fired Ty since Lindsey said he would evaluate him at the end of the season. Yea I know that could have been the kiss of death but fans are ready to kick him to the curb because they think he is the only reason why the Jazz suck so much. Jeff Van Gundy is not going to make this team into a contender/playoff team.
Personally I believe coaches in general get too much credit and too much blame. Seriously do you think Phil Jackson would have won all those titles without good players. Phil Jackson was great because he was a good manager of people. I guess what I am saying is you can't blame the coach for everything,
I blame the players because they are the ones missing open jump shots and missing free throws and not getting rebounds. Seriously do you think Kanter or Hayward weren't taught how to box out at basketball camp as a kid. Do you really think the coaches don't say "Guys we are getting killed on the boards.. ?
Sorry but I think Jazz fans are spoiled to a certain extent because the team rarely missed the play offs all these years. So now the mob has surrounded the house and they want the coach gone.. I just don't think it is going to happen this year unless there are truly major issues behind the scene. I can't even imagine what will happen to Jazz nation if the Jazz re-sign Corbin... for some it surely will be the last days..LOL.
green
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So, you want them to fire Ty, pay him the rest of the year, hire someone else, pay him the rest of the year, and then if he sucks, fire him, hire someone else and pay them as well?
Don't skip steps. There is t a short term fix. The closest thing we have to a fix is losing. Just keep losing.
green
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You are making a lot of assumptions here. Lindsey has had one draft. That's it. What happens if you take the job now, Burke sucks, Hayward leaves, and you get the 6th pick then Miller brings in some more crappy vets, and you draft a bust at #6? Then you've sullied your coaching resume and you look like Ty Corbin.
No good coach will touch this job until the Jazz have a clearer future.