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For all the fire Ty people:

Stoked said:
Deferent answers for different people. Some would be thrileld with a 2-39 record not me.

For me it is not the record but how Ty plays the team. If it is a ton of time for Lucas, Williams, Jefferson, Biedrins and Harris while Burke, Hayward, Kanter...all sit then he has to go.
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This, plus the system and effort. If it consistently looks like a bunch of disinterested guys watching real teams destroy them then Ty will have to go... I hope.
 
Stoked said:
Deferent answers for different people. Some would be thrileld with a 2-39 record not me.

For me it is not the record but how Ty plays the team. If it is a ton of time for Lucas, Williams, Jefferson, Biedrins and Harris while Burke, Hayward, Kanter...all sit then he has to go.
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My biggest beefs with Ty are:

1) I see no offensive system out there. But in his defense perhaps there is one and the players just have no clue how to run it. The last game was really telling, with tons of shots being these terrible off balance jumpers that I'd expect to see in some crappy street ball game.

2) His substitution patterns, probably which was the biggest complaint with Sloan as well (most of the criticisms about Sloan's offense were the lack of using the 3 point shot IIRC). He's set in them, even to the point where he'll pull out the hot hand. On a deep team that's more excusable, but on a team where a hot hand is hard to come combined with no depth by it's inexcusable.

3) The players don't seem that inspired to play for him. Though again in his defense I wonder if that's just what losing will do to anyone.

This season I'm more willing to give Ty a pass since he has a team with no depth whatsoever. Still my "fire Ty" opinion is really based on his body of work that's shown me nothing that indicates he's a great head coach, or even a good one.
 
franklin said:
I've rarely defended Corbin. All I can add is objective observation and fair reporting of facts. Also, I can't help that my opinion track record is nearly flawless (now to include my early call for Parker>Wiggins that every national reporter is now on board with).
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You always defend him. Nice spin.
 
franklin said:
I've rarely defended Corbin. All I can add is objective observation and fair reporting of facts. Also, I can't help that my opinion track record is nearly flawless (now to include my early call for Parker>Wiggins that every national reporter is now on board with).
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And the next thing that you're going to try to convince us is that black is white ...
 
green said:
Who do you bring in? And before you answer, remember, that this Jazz team, since Miller died, you could argue this team hasn't been run well. For example:

Sloan was run out of town for Deron(no he wasn't
Then Deron was tradedA deal we got the better end of.
You let Horny goI agree this was a mistake
You let Al and Millsap walk for nothingSo what. It needed to be done
You haven't done anything to strengthen the team, just weaken it. They have added a bunch of young talent and draft picks that is far from nothing
You have no PGTrey looked pretty damn good in his 1st game
You have no benchit takes time
Your best player is a FA next summer. restricted FA is far different than just a FA

What coach is going to come in a coach this team? Or better yet, what GOOD coach is going to take that on? You do realize, that there is a good chance that if you take over this team, you won't win any more games than Ty? It might not be as ugly, but a loss is a loss. If you are Karl, or SVG, or Lionel, why do you take on this mess now? No matter what you do, you will probably lose, and when you do, morons on message boards and sitting in the stands will boo you, and there will be a chance that you are fired at the end of the season. not a chance that a new coach doesn't get as much time as Corbin has had. They would be coming to a team that is loyal to a fault, And a team with lots of money and draft picks coming up to improve the team.

Why not enjoy your time off, and then take over this team in June, when you have the #1 pick, a boatload of cash for FA's and players that you can get to rally around you, because you didn't lose 50 games with them the previous season? Not a bad point. But if Ty gets fired the job would not likely still be available come June.

You can't fire Ty for a laundry list of reasons, one of which, is who do you bring in to coach? Your only realistic options are just as bad as Ty (and I DO put Sloan in the bad idea category).
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I don't agree with most of your points. It's overly negative and not really true.
 
franklin said:
I've rarely defended Corbin. All I can add is objective observation and fair reporting of facts. Also, I can't help that my opinion track record is nearly flawless (now to include my early call for Parker>Wiggins that every national reporter is now on board with).
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Dat popovich comparison doe
 
Offensively, Al Jefferson is a hit of junk for a team going through withdrawals, but it's bad stuff. That he could produce an okay result out of garbage masked the ineptitude of the gameplan, made Corbin a junkie, and atrophied his development as a coach and the rest of the roster as competent system players.

I know people have moved on, but the extent that Al's play poisoned this organization is hard to even calculate.
 
gregbroncs said:
I don't agree with most of your points. It's overly negative and not really true.
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I agree with your disagreement.
I made a rebuttal post, but deleted because I believe green's main point was that a coach has NO motivation to come in now, whereas in June, he'd see the Jazz having added up to three picks, perhaps 1-2 FA's and know where the Jazz stood in regards to Hawyard. And, frankly, I think Lindsey is committed to the tank. There is simply no reason to fire Corbin. The worse he is, the better off the Jazz are for the draft. Only reason to make a change is if Corbin lost complete control and players were publicly criticizing. And no, I don;t consider Gobert's tweet of that nature - at least not yet.
 
Get it, man. Al Jeff was Corbins crutch, "lifeline" as Leg said. He also had Paul Millie. He's had Dev Harris, Mo Williams. STACKED teams. Teams that a seasoned coach could've taken to at least an 8 seed. But, Tyronr thought it was best to do his up worst attempt of being the black Jerry Sloan and not play his youth. Even Jer though gave his youngins PT though after their rookie year.

Corbin has just shown EXPENDABLE since his first minute he graced an NBA sideline as "Coach" Corbin.
I cannot wait until lottery day. Atleast we'll know Lindsey can finally work fully on "operation:rebuild" and get rid of the complete dead weight that is Corbin. The 45 point loss last year in Utah against Houston debunked and exposed Corbin, fully.
 
Core4 said:
I agree with your disagreement.
I made a rebuttal post, but deleted because I believe green's main point was that a coach has NO motivation to come in now, whereas in June, he'd see the Jazz having added up to three picks, perhaps 1-2 FA's and know where the Jazz stood in regards to Hawyard. And, frankly, I think Lindsey is committed to the tank. There is simply no reason to fire Corbin. The worse he is, the better off the Jazz are for the draft. Only reason to make a change is if Corbin lost complete control and players were publicly criticizing. And no, I don;t consider Gobert's tweet of that nature - at least not yet.
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No motivation? To be an NBA head coach? Surely, you jest.

Any coach worth any consideration would look at any 1-12 team and have the self-confidence to feel that he could get them several more wins than that. And the chance to coach in the NBA? If you asked for resumes for an open NBA HC position by fax submission, you would burn out your fax machine. If you took them by email, your inbox would be stuffed.
 
b_line said:
Really the only person on here who 'defends' Corbin is Franklin.
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franklin puts Corbin into perspective, but I haven't seen him call for Corbin's contract to be extended.

By contrast, I see a lot of people exaggerate Corbin's faults and ignore things he does well.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
Get it, man. Al Jeff was Corbins crutch, "lifeline" as Leg said. He also had Paul Millie. He's had Dev Harris, Mo Williams. STACKED teams. Teams that a seasoned coach could've taken to at least an 8 seed.
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I think this is the first time I've ever read that a teams starting Al Jefferson, Millsap, and Maurice Williams was "stacked". How badly to you have to hate Corbin to use that as a point?

Also, Corbin did lead that team to eighth seed in 2012, BTW. Again, how badly to you have to hate the guy that you say he should have accomplished something he did accomplish?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
What does he do well? Serious question.
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His timeouts have gotten better.

I like how he is changing the lineup based on the game. Such as starting Burks at PG here and there.

Playing Kanter farther from the basket where he has to rely on his J more. That has cut down on the number of blocked attempts Kanter has and gives Favors more room to work.

Playing Kanter back into game shape. He was right and I was wrong.

Placing Burks as the sixth man. Scoring punch from the bench and more in tune with Burks need for the ball.

Corbin is not the coach for the Jazz and I'd like to see him move on after this year. But he does make some good moves and decisions.
 
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