For all the fire Ty people:

[GVC]

I need to look this up, but I don't believe Burks got more minutes than Raja.

He did.

However, he did get a lot of DNPs at the beginning of last season, which were not good for his confidence.

He played in 59 of 66 games.

And everyone, even Harpring on the air, was complaining about Favors' lack of minutes last year.

Favors didn't play particularly well last season, was bothered by plantar fascitis, and fouled like crazy. Al and Paul were superior players, and Favors was still 6th on the team in minutes per game (5th in total minutes).

Hayward got minutes and probably was handled better than the others, but still I think he could've been brought along more quickly.

Basically 30 minutes per game in years 2 and 3, with lots of those minutes spent leading the second unit (with the ball in his hands).

What was Corbin thinking -- in any case, they blew their draft pick a couple of years ago, just to win a couple extra and get swept in the playoffs when the young guys could've been playing and developing and we could've gotten a draft choice that might've enabled us to get Lilliard.

That's 100% on the FO. Corbin was given a cluster****, treadmill roster for two years, with good vets AND young players who needed minutes. He handled the roster as almost all coaches do. Would you have preferred having another full season of what we've experienced so far this season?

 

[Getting Traded]

He did.

He played in 59 of 66 games.

Favors didn't play particularly well last season, was bothered by plantar fascitis, and fouled like crazy. Al and Paul were superior players, and Favors was still 6th on the team in minutes per game (5th in total minutes).

Basically 30 minutes per game in years 2 and 3, with lots of those minutes spent leading the second unit (with the ball in his hands).

That's 100% on the FO. Corbin was given a cluster****, treadmill roster for two years, with good vets AND young players who needed minutes. He handled the roster as almost all coaches do. Would you have preferred having another full season of what we've experienced so far this season?

1. Burks had a lot of games with meaningless minutes
2. Favors didn't play well, I believe, because of the way he was used by Corbin. His play still is suffering from improper usage. He should've have been leading the team in minutes if you want to develop him the way he should've been developed. Last year's team wasn't going anywhere.
3. Hayward should've started last year all season. Sure, he wasn't playing well early on, but you let him play out of the slump. He's a far better defender and playmaker than Foye, who even when he scored was often overmatched on the other end because Corbin had him playing the other team's best scorer -- that used to drive me crazy when he had Foye playing the other team's go-to guy.
4. Corbin has made so many poor decisions when it comes to matchups that it makes me wonder if he has any common sense because it was so obvious that he was playing the wrong guys at the wrong time and matched up with the wrong player.
5. The bottomline is that these young guys need to play to develop and since the team has not had a chance of doing any damage in the playoffs, then why aren't you playing them? Just like he plays Harris rather than Gobert, or even Marvin at times. Though Marvin has been playing well, he's played Marvin with Enes and then you don't have anyone protecting the rim. And besides we need to develop Gobert because he has real potential. Not playing Gobert to me, is a case in point.

 

[franklin]

As a rookie, Burks played roughly the same minutes as Howard and more minutes than Raja. He wasn't noticeably better than either of those guys.

Now watch them claim that Burks was better than Raja that year, while ignoring Raja's role within the offense shooting the 3 at 40% against starters while Burks shot like **** against backups.

Corbin would have looked like the court fool had he started Burks over Raja that season.

 

[Getting Traded]

Now watch them claim that Burks was better than Raja that year, while ignoring Raja's role within the offense shooting the 3 at 40% against starters while Burks shot like **** against backups.

Corbin would have looked like the court fool had he started Burks over Raja that season.

Raja was on his way out. The Jazz should've traded him or released him, which was essentially what they ended up doing. Meanwhile Burks rots on the bench.

 

[Getting Traded]

As far as I'm concerned, for the most part, the Jazz have done a lousy job of developing young players. One that broke out, Matthews, they let go, like fools. I believe that move broke up the team because of the animosities and dissension it created, and eventually resulted in Jerry quitting. But even Jerry had too short a leash on young players that I think hampered their development.

If you think a guy has potential, you have to give him time. And when you have a team that's not going to make the playoffs or is borderline at best, you let them play to see what they can do, so you can move on, if they can't. They aren't going to get any better on the bench. Look at Kosta. With the Jazz he was a D-League scrub. But George Karl gave him a chance and he has turned out to be a decent big, who can provide serviceable minutes off the bench on a good team.

 

[GVC]

1. Burks had a lot of games with meaningless minutes

Grasping at straws.

2. Favors didn't play well, I believe, because of the way he was used by Corbin. His play still is suffering from improper usage. He should've have been leading the team in minutes if you want to develop him the way he should've been developed. Last year's team wasn't going anywhere.

1. Of course. Poor play is always Corbin's fault.

2. Again, can you name a coach who played young, inexperienced players over productive, in-their-prime vets? Can you name a coach who did so when those vets were superior players? The FO builds the roster, not Ty.

3. Hayward should've started last year all season. Sure, he wasn't playing well early on, but you let him play out of the slump. He's a far better defender and playmaker than Foye, who even when he scored was often overmatched on the other end because Corbin had him playing the other team's best scorer -- that used to drive me crazy when he had Foye playing the other team's go-to guy.

Had Gordo started, he would have had fewer opportunities to make plays (with Al, Paul and Mo on the court). Yes, the defense would have improved, but Gordo's growth would have been stunted. He was put in an ideal situation to succeed (given his early struggles) AND take on more responsibility leading the second unit. I thought Ty handled Gordo's role very well last season. I would have like to see him get 2-4 more minutes per game, but that's a pretty minor gripe.

4. Corbin has made so many poor decisions when it comes to matchups that it makes me wonder if he has any common sense because it was so obvious that he was playing the wrong guys at the wrong time and matched up with the wrong player.

Examples?

5. The bottomline is that these young guys need to play to develop and since the team has not had a chance of doing any damage in the playoffs, then why aren't you playing them? Just like he plays Harris rather than Gobert, or even Marvin at times. Though Marvin has been playing well, he's played Marvin with Enes and then you don't have anyone protecting the rim. And besides we need to develop Gobert because he has real potential. Not playing Gobert to me, is a case in point.

Not only has Marvin been playing well, he's playing with energy. He's also only averaged 21 minutes per game, and has yet to hit 30 minutes in any single game. Mike Harris also started out the season playing well AND with energy. Yes, his play has declined, but Corbin has personalities to manage, and yanking people from the lineup entirely based on a couple poor performances is going to have a negative effect on individual and team play. Gobert's a late 1st round pick, widely thought to be a project, and is still averaging 11 minutes per game (he's played in 11 games). It's a tad early to be freaking out about his minutes.

 

[Batman]

Grasping at straws.

1. Of course. Poor play is always Corbin's fault.

2. Again, can you name a coach who played young, inexperienced players over productive, in-their-prime vets? Can you name a coach who did so when those vets were superior players? The FO builds the roster, not Ty.

Had Gordo started, he would have had fewer opportunities to make plays (with Al, Paul and Mo on the court). Yes, the defense would have improved, but Gordo's growth would have been stunted. He was put in an ideal situation to succeed (given his early struggles) AND take on more responsibility leading the second unit. I thought Ty handled Gordo's role very well last season. I would have like to see him get 2-4 more minutes per game, but that's a pretty minor gripe.

Examples?

Not only has Marvin been playing well, he's playing with energy. He's also only averaged 21 minutes per game, and has yet to hit 30 minutes in any single game. Mike Harris also started out the season playing well AND with energy. Yes, his play has declined, but Corbin has personalities to manage, and yanking people from the lineup entirely based on a couple poor performances is going to have a negative effect on individual and team play. Gobert's a late 1st round pick, widely thought to be a project, and is still averaging 11 minutes per game (he's played in 11 games). It's a tad early to be freaking out about his minutes.

Starting to think you might be David Locke. Really appreciate Locke so don't take that the wrong way.

 

[GVC]

Starting to think you might be David Locke. Really appreciate Locke so don't take that the wrong way.

Yikes. I appreciate what Locke tries to do, but...

And just to be clear, I'm not a Ty fan by any stretch. It's just that, having watched the NBA for 10 years now, it's pretty clear that most fans think their young players are destined to break out, and are only being held back by their coach (this is true of pretty much every young player on every team under every coach). When they perform well, it's proof of their vast potential; when they perform poorly, it's because of their teammates or coach or..well..whatever excuse is convenient. The reality is, good players tend to play well from the start, and those who deserve to play force their team's hand (see Stockton, Malone, Kemp, etc. When those guys were ready, the players in their way were moved). Playing time doesn't magically turn ****ty players into all-stars.

 

[One Brow]

You don't get that through insignificant amounts of meaningless minutes. You also try to put people in the right situations for them to succeed. This is what develops confidence in players, and Corbin has failed to do this.

Which of the young core has only/primarily played meaningless minutes prior to this season? Do you mean Jeremy Evans? It doesn't apply to Favors, Kanter, Burks, nor Hayward.

 

[fishonjazz]

Hopefully corbin does the right thing for the rest of this year and plays lucas (the vet in his prime) more minutes than trey burke so than burke can learn the game properly. (from the bench)

 

[GVC]

Hopefully corbin does the right thing for the rest of this year and plays lucas (the vet in his prime) more minutes than trey burke so than burke can learn the game properly. (from the bench)

I suspect, since there aren't arguably superior players in front of him, Trey will get plenty of minutes. Like Gordo.

 

[LogGrad98]

I suspect, since there aren't arguably superior players in front of him, Trey will get plenty of minutes. Like Gordo.

I sure hope not. Everyone knows the best thing a rookie can do is sit on the bench for long stretches...games at a time, maybe even months. In fact coming back from this injury so soon will seriously derail his development. If he ends up with 20-30 mpg over the course of the season now I predict it will put him approximately 11 years behind in his development. If they can somehow limit him to 5-10 mpg he will only be 3 years behind. Bench him permanently and he will earn the MVP this season as his development will be so far ahead.

 

[fishonjazz]

I sure hope not. Everyone knows the best thing a rookie can do is sit on the bench for long stretches...games at a time, maybe even months. In fact coming back from this injury so soon will seriously derail his development. If he ends up with 20-30 mpg over the course of the season now I predict it will put him approximately 11 years behind in his development. If they can somehow limit him to 5-10 mpg he will only be 3 years behind. Bench him permanently and he will earn the MVP this season as his development will be so far ahead.

This is why its crucial that we keep corbin next year to "devolop" jabari parker by keeping him on the bench behind jefferson or marvin or whatever vet we can sign

 

[GVC]

I sure hope not. Everyone knows the best thing a rookie can do is sit on the bench for long stretches...games at a time, maybe even months. In fact coming back from this injury so soon will seriously derail his development. If he ends up with 20-30 mpg over the course of the season now I predict it will put him approximately 11 years behind in his development. If they can somehow limit him to 5-10 mpg he will only be 3 years behind. Bench him permanently and he will earn the MVP this season as his development will be so far ahead.

It's nice to see Jazz fans haven't lost their ability to attack straw men.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

It's nice to see Jazz fans haven't lost their ability to attack straw men.

Well color me impressed that you finally figured out that Corbin is a straw man.

 

[franklin]

Hopefully corbin does the right thing for the rest of this year and plays lucas (the vet in his prime) more minutes than trey burke so than burke can learn the game properly. (from the bench)

This is why its crucial that we keep corbin next year to "devolop" jabari parker by keeping him on the bench behind jefferson or marvin or whatever vet we can sign

lol going full retard eh fish? I never know when you're serious and when you're screwing with everyone. I saw KKK is your first follower doe.

 

[Getting Traded]

i sure hope not. Everyone knows the best thing a rookie can do is sit on the bench for long stretches...games at a time, maybe even months. In fact coming back from this injury so soon will seriously derail his development. If he ends up with 20-30 mpg over the course of the season now i predict it will put him approximately 11 years behind in his development. If they can somehow limit him to 5-10 mpg he will only be 3 years behind. Bench him permanently and he will earn the mvp this season as his development will be so far ahead.

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

 

[fishonjazz]

lol going full retard eh fish? I never know when you're serious and when you're screwing with everyone. I saw KKK is your first follower doe.

I have followers?...... I didn't even know I signed up for twitter

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Seriously man, if Corbin is coach next year, I'll come to Utah with fitchforks and "impeach" Corbin signs to start a rally.