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Sure, and if the Jazz indicated they might trade him, their phone lines would melt down. Hayward does so much on the court it is amazing: ball handling, assists, rebounds, blocks, fastbreaks, shots. Name me players who do more. Not many out there
Sure, he is not great at it or consistent at it, yet shows signs. Many here were ready to dump Alec but look what he did last night. These guys are just getting their first taste of being front line players and adjusting to what the NBA does to them in that position. give them time (and a better coach please).
I think he will be great once the primary focus is not on him. Hayward is not The Man but he is definately a man you want on your team.
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Ya basically with all of the core 5 we dont really know what we have yet so to trade them now might really come back to haunt us..... which is why kanter and burks should be in the starting lineup with the other 3 and all five should get (in some cases, continue to get) major minutes so we can evaluate them and find out what is exactly we have here.
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Basically I just like Bush a fine President. Especially, if your are a liberal Mormon like me; he gave me the inspiration for my new name since KOC is gone and my mission is accomplished.
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AGREED I though this was the year we develop our youth
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Hayward and Burks don't have the same level of experience and aren't the same age. In their primes or the late-stages of their careers, this is less of an issue. But right now, Alec Burks has been completely DNP-ed for significant portions of his first two years and never plays as much as Hayward. What I am getting at is there is still some significant upside to explore with Burks compared to Hayward with respect to all of that.
And I'm not saying Hayward isn't a really nice player to have, BTW. I also am still not completely convinced that this version of Burks is going to be who he is with consistency.
I would say this: minutes don't perfectly equate to development. I'm swinging from GVC's nuts often, but when a player isn't equipped to handle a certain level of competition/responsibility, you can make the case that overwhelming them can stunt their development. You could also make the case that in year three, maybe Kanter's development requires him to be thrown in the fire and for him to figure out how to not burn. I don't know, but I do care about his development because I feel like I've seen enough good and he has a mountain of legitimate excuses for why he isn't further right now.
I am not upset about the rotation situation right now because the path is now at least cleared enough for Kanter and Favors to prove they belong on the court. The Jazz completely bungled in not trading (at least) one of Jefferson or Millsap for this reason since it made playing Kanter OR Favors significant minutes in significant situations nearly impossible and did NOBODY ANY good.
That chance is now there. It's up to them to make Corbin play them and I think he wants to. But the hard truth is the Jazz are considerably better when Marv or Evans plays in contrast to Kanter.
On this topic, I think the Jazz bungled hard on using the D-League. I don't disagree with the skeptics when they say that there isn't a lot of proof that the D-League does a great job at the thing it's entire existence is predicated on, but Koufos wasn't getting any better or building any confidence sitting in street clothes. Additionally, the Jazz could've had Kanter do stints there to not only get him some minutes and possessions to burn, but also to get Favors more of the same at the NBA level. I don't understand why the Jazz have been so reluctant to use something to get young players at the wrong end of a logjam a chance to put into practice things they learn in practice SOMEWHERE.
Great point. I hate this stigma that sending high draft picks is disgracing or shows a gm's drafting incompetence.
Kanter badly needed to learn court fundamentals at game speed. Do it here and you crush him, do it there and he learns where players are supposed to be, etc. while dominating inferior talent when he screws up plays.
I don't know if d league would have helped Burks though. Learning to handle the ball better is more a practice thing I think.
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So on that note, do you think we are stunting Gordon Hayward's development because he obviously cannot handle the tremendous responsibility being placed on him to lead a young team?
Hayward's problems and Kanter's are not at all similar. For starters, I think Hayward is pretty well what he's going to be at this point. Beyond that, Kanter seems to have regressed. His body language sucks, he plays tentative, almost scared, and it's been that way almost all year whether he's played well or not. He looks overwhelmed. Hayward isn't good at shooting off the dribble. Not being a big-time player isn't exactly a detriment, but having shattered confidence can push a player out of the league, especially one with no lift and appears to need every bounce he can get in his step.
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I wouldn't say stunting his development, just not using him to his full abilities.
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I don't get how people are saying Kanter has regressed he is in his third year and when he get the touches plus the minutes he can easily be a 20 and 10 guy. He just hasn't gotten the minute. I get that his defense isn't great. But, that is what happens when you have Al Jefferson as his mentor since his rookie year.
Have you actually watched him play this year? He looks like Kosta Koufos in his second year.
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Have you happened to look at Derrick Favors stats for his third year? His stats seem similar to Kanters while playing more minutes.
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You don't think those look similar? The beginning of this year throws of the minutes per game stat because Marvin was out of the line up. By the end of the year you will see Kanter have better number on offense in less minutes compared with Favors in his third year. But, I can agree that we are not comparing apples to apples because Kanter is an offensive talent and Favors is greater on the defensive end. But, it shows that each player isn't necessarily regressing they are developing. Without constant minutes like the amount that is thrown at Hayward even if he goes 1-17 are what is need for the whole core across the board.