What do you think Hayward does?
At what price will the Jazz not match Hayward's contract?
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What do you think Hayward does?
Signs for the max somewhere, then fizzles out.
green
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I'd give up Kanter for Wes.
I think Hayward's value depends on the pick Utah gets. I think if Utah gets their "guy" (Parker/Wiggins/Embiid, whoever they covet) then Hayward coming back is a priority. Especially if they covet and draft Parker. Parker is good enough to compete now. The Jazz then move forward trying to go to the playoffs now.
If the Jazz end up with the 5th or 6th pick, then Hayward is less valuable to the Jazz. They probably set up to tank another year, ala OKC and let draft pick, Burke and Favors grow together another year.
I think Hayward's value depends on the pick Utah gets. I think if Utah gets their "guy" (Parker/Wiggins/Embiid, whoever they covet) then Hayward coming back is a priority. Especially if they covet and draft Parker. Parker is good enough to compete now. The Jazz then move forward trying to go to the playoffs now.
If the Jazz end up with the 5th or 6th pick, then Hayward is less valuable to the Jazz. They probably set up to tank another year, ala OKC and let draft pick, Burke and Favors grow together another year.
Jazz4ever
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I think Hayward is a lot better than what he has shown as of late. The contract and losing season is hanging over his head. Yes it's his fault he is in that position but agents can be very persuasive. Anyways I had him valued at a max of 12/year before the season and would lower it to 11/year at this point.
da ThRONe
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Rumors have it the Bobcats are thinking about trading MKG. Maybe a Hayward/Kidd-Gilchirst trade.
reignman40
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The appropriate title for this thread is "How much will Portland offer Hayward?"
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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What the hell is Corbin doing...
I wonder if he ever thinks why Hayward has such a low shooting%. Is he really going to continue force feeding this team with Hayward as the top scoring option? When is he going to give someone else a shot as the top scoring option? Or will he continue to twiddle his thumbs?
I wonder if he ever thinks why Hayward has such a low shooting%. Is he really going to continue force feeding this team with Hayward as the top scoring option? When is he going to give someone else a shot as the top scoring option? Or will he continue to twiddle his thumbs?
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Very good creator of his teamates, slasher and spot up shooter, and working off his teamates, improving rebounder, and help defender who uses his length and underrated athletic ability to make close shots very difficult, and a very heady player.
Ty is asking him to create his own offense. This year most of his shots come off the dribble instead of getting his shot within the offense, and this is leaving him with very few oppertunities to get wide open spot up oppertunities which = a low FG.%. Can someone tell this to Ty so he can do something about it, he's ruining Hayward before our very eyes.
gomretat
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It is clear already that GH is not the main or only option now that we have TB. And GH is not being asked to create his own shot near as much as he was before we had a point guard. So those issues don't hold water over the course of the season as long as TB stays healthy. Frankly, TB playing well will decrease GH's value if Gordie continues to shoot a bad percentage. Trey takes away most of the excuses. GH is a solid all around player but I hope we stay under 10 though I will be surprised is some team does not offer 12M
ijazz
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Also, need to see how the year finishes....
Hayward always has played better after the new year. Not saying that is a good quality...but seems accurate.
I do think the Jazz need to answer the match question now.
They need to anticipate someone offering 11.5/12 ...
So , easy logic. If match, keep him. (and hope no one does)
If not match , trade him (most likely someone will creep into that range).
Game of Chess.
No one knows what the Jazz offered. If it was the rumored 4/40, GH made the right call. Odds are he will at least get that from someone.
Hayward always has played better after the new year. Not saying that is a good quality...but seems accurate.
I do think the Jazz need to answer the match question now.
They need to anticipate someone offering 11.5/12 ...
So , easy logic. If match, keep him. (and hope no one does)
If not match , trade him (most likely someone will creep into that range).
Game of Chess.
No one knows what the Jazz offered. If it was the rumored 4/40, GH made the right call. Odds are he will at least get that from someone.
Shouldn't you ask a fifth grader doe?
akirac73
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SF/Guards drafted in the NBA since 2002 that can(could) do what Hayward does or Better:
2002: Dunleavy, Butler
2003: James, Wade, Hinrich
2004: Deng, Iguodala, Smith
2005: Granger
2006: Roy, Rondo
2007: Durrant, Afflalo, Chandler
2008: Gordon, Westbrook, Batum, Dragic
2009: Harden, Evans, Green
2010: Turner, George, Stephenson
2011: Leonard, Parsons, Thompson, Williams
2012: Beal, Barnes (slightly too early to tell in this draft)
Jazz4ever
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Dunleavy, Hinrich, Butler....really? They are walking corpses now. Have you invented a time machine allowing players to return their prime?
akirac73
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Haha, nice smart *** response before reading & understanding the context of this post...The argument was that there are players with the same talent/skillsets of a Gordon Hayward available in practically every draft. Of course players drafted in 2002 are in the downswing of their careers...Give yourself a pat on the back.
Doublea
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You said replaceable. There might be players like him in the draft, but you don't know if they will turn out or bust. Teams only have a few picks, so no I don't think you could easily replace hayward through the draft.
Jazz4ever
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Exactly, those guys that are available in the draft each year are usually gems surrounded by landmine busts. From Hayward's 2010 draft alone, Johnson(3), Aminu (6), Henry(12), Babbitt(16) are some of those landmines
akirac73
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Okay fine. Of the players I listed, 11 of them were drafted beyond where the Jazz drafted so it's not like drafting another Hayward-type player is unachievable/unreachable for the Jazz. Hayward is a nice player that can do a several things well but is not elite at anything. Those type of players aren't as rare as you believe. If we draft well like the Pacers or Spurs, it's not very difficult to get another player like Hayward.