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spycam1 said:
There's no one outside the top 8 worth tanking for, though. And no, of course not all of them are guaranteed to be All-Stars. But I think there will be more of them that pan out than those who don't.
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That's my real hope: that Utah can stay within the top-8. Hopefully with the schedule getting tougher after the all-star break and EC teams playing each other more, teams like Detroit, Cleveland and NY will win at a better pace than Utah. Cousins needs to come back soon for Sacramento and Kobe needs to return wanting to win a few games.
 
Core4 said:
That's my real hope: that Utah can stay within the top-8. Hopefully with the schedule getting tougher after the all-star break and EC teams playing each other more, teams like Detroit, Cleveland and NY will win at a better pace than Utah. Cousins needs to come back soon for Sacramento and Kobe needs to return wanting to win a few games.
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Basically. But I'm really scared Parker stays in school and we suddenly need a top 7, not top 8.
 
spycam1 said:
Basically. But I'm really scared Parker stays in school and we suddenly need a top 7, not top 8.
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I've pretty much resigned myself to the belief Utah will get Vonleh or Gordon. That way, if the Jazz did get lucky - either via the lottery, or by going on a long losing string while Boston, Philly or even Orlando win several games - I'd be unexpectedly happy. Otherwise, I'm just going to get too depressed by every Jazz victory.
 
Core4 said:
I've pretty much resigned myself to the belief Utah will get Vonleh or Gordon. That way, if the Jazz did get lucky - either via the lottery, or by going on a long losing string while Boston, Philly or even Orlando win several games - I'd be unexpectedly happy. Otherwise, I'm just going to get too depressed by every Jazz victory.
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This is the mindset I need to get into, but it's hard. I'm too much of a competitor to settle for anything less than the best. Whether it's physical goals, academically, whatever...I set my goals very high, design a plan to reach that goal, then ****ing do it. I had my heart really set on a top 3 pick, and it's hard for me to let go of that idea. But I'll get there, hopefully.
 
Can we all agree the the Jazz core is decent enough to win a good amount of games?

One of my fears was that the Jazz were so bad that they couldn't win with Hayward/Favors/Burks/Kanter/Burke and they've shown otherwise.

Now it goes back to the need for a coach (Corbin still sucks) and a superstar or All star.

Just an early morning rant.

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spycam1 said:
There's no one outside the top 8 worth tanking for, though. And no, of course not all of them are guaranteed to be All-Stars. But I think there will be more of them that pan out than those who don't.
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All I am saying is that Vonleh might be better than Smart. Smart has been consistently ranked higher in the mocks but might not be the better player. Gordon is the same way. Both of these guys have shown just as much as Wiggins or Embiid or Exum. Will Gordon or Vonleh be superstars, probably not but they might be at the All-star level some day. They have the physical gifts so perhaps team fit, their improvement and work ethic might be the difference between this outside the top 8 guys.

They are moving up in many mocks and remember people thought Kenny Green was better than Karl Malone. All I am saying is you never know how a person's career will go neither do we know at this point where the Jazz are going to draft. I think the Jazz can get a very good player in the top 10.
 
cowhide said:
All I am saying is that Vonleh might be better than Smart. Smart has been consistently ranked higher in the mocks but might not be the better player. Gordon is the same way. Both of these guys have shown just as much as Wiggins or Embiid or Exum. Will Gordon or Vonleh be superstars, probably not but they might be at the All-star level some day. They have the physical gifts so perhaps team fit, their improvement and work ethic might be the difference between this outside the top 8 guys.

They are moving up in many mocks and remember people thought Kenny Green was better than Karl Malone. All I am saying is you never know how a person's career will go neither do we know at this point where the Jazz are going to draft. I think the Jazz can get a very good player in the top 10.
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I prefer Vonleh over Smart as well. I could see the Jazz starting Kanter/Favors and coming off the bench you have Vonleh/Gobert. Sounds like a fun bench unit to watch if you ask me.

I would be disappointed of the Jazz got Vonleh though.
 
FWIW, first-time I ever heard Vonleh's name was from PG_AB, before the season started-- we were all tripping out about Randle/Wiggins et al., but he was all like "yo guys, keep an eye on Vonleh he could be one of the best players of the draft".



#truestory

Not sure if Peeks remembers.
 
dalamon said:
FWIW, first-time I ever heard Vonleh's name was from PG_AB, before the season started-- we were all tripping out about Randle/Wiggins et al., but he was all like "yo guys, keep an eye on Vonleh he could be one of the best players of the draft".



#truestory

Not sure if Peeks remembers.
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But does anyone really exist before PKM starts talking about them?

I had heard about Vonleh before the season began, but didn't give him much thought. We were much more focused on the top-5 which has now been altered by the inclusion of Embiid. Vonleh was outside the top-10, IIRC, but a few players have dropped since then and Vonleh has moved up.
 
Core4 said:
But does anyone really exist before PKM starts talking about them?

I had heard about Vonleh before the season began, but didn't give him much thought. We were much more focused on the top-5 which has now been altered by the inclusion of Embiid. Vonleh was outside the top-10, IIRC, but a few players have dropped since then and Vonleh has moved up.
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Umm...no? Vonleh was #8 on PKM's mock back in July (check page 111). I believe he was in the top 10 of Ford's big board, as well.
 
I'm really jealous of Orlando right now. They are setting up to get Wiggins at #2 and will take care of their future PG need at 12 with Tyler Ennis. Goodness.
 
Jazz4ever said:
I'm really jealous of Orlando right now. They are setting up to get Wiggins at #2 and will take care of their future PG need at 12 with Tyler Ennis. Goodness.
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And they have Dipo, Harris and Vucevic already which isn't bad either. Right know we have the better core but with Wiggins + Ennis they would crush us! Did I mentioned before that I want Wiggins?

I want Wiggins!
 
Primetime said:
And they have Dipo, Harris and Vucevic already which isn't bad either. Right know we have the better core but with Wiggins + Ennis they would crush us! Did I mentioned before that I want Wiggins?

I want Wiggins!
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Me too bro. Me too.

Anyone in the top 5 would have me pretty damn excited.
 
dalamon said:
FWIW, first-time I ever heard Vonleh's name was from PG_AB, before the season started-- we were all tripping out about Randle/Wiggins et al., but he was all like "yo guys, keep an eye on Vonleh he could be one of the best players of the draft".



#truestory

Not sure if Peeks remembers.
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thx for the shoutout Dal. I was the original Vonleh over Randle guy, (back when i thought Andrew Harrison would be a top 2 pick...) its been lots of fun watching Noah improve since then. Tom Crean even expected his rebounding to decline during conference play which hasn't happened.

9.6 rebounds in 25mpg is in Demarcus Cousins territory(9.9 in 23.5)

the jazz are letting up 55% shooting in the paint im not sure that can be fixed in this draft but adding Vonleh to play PF next to Favors would make a huge difference defending the rim.
 
Btw Trey Burke has now scored 450 points on 448 FGA's...

this thread really lacks discussion about the PG's, would any consider Tyler Ennis if the jazz got a ****ty lotto pick??

how about Semaj Christon, Jahii Carson, Vasilije Micic, Elfrid Payton with the GSW or in the 2nd round
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
thx for the shoutout Dal. I was the original Vonleh over Randle guy, (back when i thought Andrew Harrison would be a top 2 pick...) its been lots of fun watching Noah improve since then. Tom Crean even expected his rebounding to decline during conference play which hasn't happened.

9.6 rebounds in 25mpg is in Demarcus Cousins territory(9.9 in 23.5)

the jazz are letting up 55% shooting in the paint im not sure that can be fixed in this draft but adding Vonleh to play PF next to Favors would make a huge difference defending the rim.
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You were also the first dude to bring up Zach LaVine
 
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