Ukraine
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The Russian parliament just unanimously approved the use of their military in Ukraine. They approved it for Ukraine and not Crimea.
2,000+ Russian soldiers were flown into Crimea and Russian APCs and attack helicopters are in Crimea.
The Crimean governor asked for Russia's assistance in stabilizing the region against the New gov.
Fights between pro and anti Russian groups are breaking out.
Russia recalled their ambassador to America over the Presidents comment on what's happening.
2,000+ Russian soldiers were flown into Crimea and Russian APCs and attack helicopters are in Crimea.
The Crimean governor asked for Russia's assistance in stabilizing the region against the New gov.
Fights between pro and anti Russian groups are breaking out.
Russia recalled their ambassador to America over the Presidents comment on what's happening.
Stoked is the Head of Model UN: Jazzfanz Divison.
lol. this **** interests me and there are many different view points on here. So why not?
there won't be war but at what point does someone fold?
The Thriller
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Let's just invade Russia. Putin has WMDs.
Shock and awe baby
Shock and awe baby
At least wait til winter is over. We can learn from Hitler's mistake.
Duck Rodgers
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Just call him John "Stoked" Bolton from now on. Seriously Stoked, keep on keeping on. I'd rather read your take on this kind of stuff than most of the people in this world that are paid to give theirs.
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Putin has been engineering this from the start. The last thing he'll tolerate is a Ukrainian drift away from Russia, but mainly for two reasons. First, he's all about rebuilding Russia's place in some mythical geopolitical order; he wants Russia to have its hinterland back. Second, he won't watch any successful democratization happen on his own doorstep because he fears it spreading to his own country. That's why he's been doing everything he can to discredit the movement down there, and that's while he'll squash it if he's allowed.
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One of the saddest things about this whole scenario is the fact that it came down to whether Ukraine was gonna get run over by Russia or the EU. Oof.
Duck Rodgers
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The Thriller
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Stifle Tower
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The Ukraine is not weak!
You are weak!
Ukraine will break the United States!
Good for about 10 mins before doubling over to catch his breath.
My money is on this guy (well, unless the US sends over Stallone).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQvB6OjHOU
The problem with not getting involved Thriller is that Russia will become even more bold. They paralyze the UN as a veto member of the Security Council. China doesn't care and EU is not strong enough. So that leaves America.
Russia wants its old power and glory back. Look at what they did to Georgia. Now Ukraine. Who is next? At what point is enough, enough?
Problem with withdrawing from the world is that the two other most powerful nations (Russia and China) are not America friendly. If we do and say nothing the eastern Euro nations (Ukraine, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Coatia, Estonia...) will fall one by one to Russian power and influence. The Asian countries ( Thailand, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Philippines, Japan...) will fall to China. You are already seeing clear steps taken in that direction.
Then China and Russia are each American equals. I do not think they are our enemies yet but I certainly don't think they are friendly.
Russia wants its old power and glory back. Look at what they did to Georgia. Now Ukraine. Who is next? At what point is enough, enough?
Problem with withdrawing from the world is that the two other most powerful nations (Russia and China) are not America friendly. If we do and say nothing the eastern Euro nations (Ukraine, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Coatia, Estonia...) will fall one by one to Russian power and influence. The Asian countries ( Thailand, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Philippines, Japan...) will fall to China. You are already seeing clear steps taken in that direction.
Then China and Russia are each American equals. I do not think they are our enemies yet but I certainly don't think they are friendly.
The EU and UN are both holding additional meetings on Ukraine.
Ukrainian military is on high alert.
Hundreds of pro Russian gunmen and Russian soldiers have blocked of a Ukrainian military base in Kiev.
Pro Russian protests in several Eastern Ukrainian cities.
Austria and Switerland have frozen assets with multiple Ukrainians linked to the old deposed president.
Lithuania has invoked article 4 of NATO (consultations)
Ukrainian military is on high alert.
Hundreds of pro Russian gunmen and Russian soldiers have blocked of a Ukrainian military base in Kiev.
Pro Russian protests in several Eastern Ukrainian cities.
Austria and Switerland have frozen assets with multiple Ukrainians linked to the old deposed president.
Lithuania has invoked article 4 of NATO (consultations)
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JimLes
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Yay! Murica's coming to save the day! The great supporter of UN and opponent of unilateral action.
Unless Russia become so bold it actually invades US territory, I don't see how any of this is any business of the US.
Spare your tiresome 'Murica bit. It's shallow but I'm not surprised.
The main problem would be how would a Ukraine under Russian control affect Europe. Right or wrong America and Europe will forever see many of their views as the same.
Also could the argument be made to revise the Security Council after this latest example of it's inability to control a situation. Should the vetoes be removed and a majority votes position be drafted?
JimLes
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Again, how's that a problem for the USA? What business is it of the USA what kind of government Russia, Ukraine, Egypt, or Germany have? No one is threatening to invade the US here.