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Will the Bush Tax Cuts be Extended?

Will the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% be extended?

  • Yes, Congress will hook up their hbuddies

    Votes: 8 57.1%

  • No, Congress will agree w/the President and let them expire

    Votes: 6 42.9%
  • Total voters
    14
I'm done defending Obama until he does something real. None of this half-assed **** where he tries to pretend there's been a bipartisan compromise while he's getting his *** kicked.

The odds I'm just going to deface the presidential section of my ballot on Nov. 6, 2012 have risen significantly.

As someone who is unashamedly liberal I'm faced with the sad reality that I haven't been truly happy with any major legislation that has emerged from Congress in my entire adult life. 10 full years of disappointment and frustration is not what "hope and change" was supposed to be getting me.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I'm done defending Obama until he does something real. None of this half-assed **** where he tries to pretend there's been a bipartisan compromise while he's getting his *** kicked.

The odds I'm just going to deface the presidential section of my ballot on Nov. 6, 2012 have risen significantly.

As someone who is unashamedly liberal I'm faced with the sad reality that I haven't been truly happy with any major legislation that has emerged from Congress in my entire adult life. 10 full years of disappointment and frustration is not what "hope and change" was supposed to be getting me.
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At least you are brave enough to admit it. There are many pundits still feeling tickles up their legs for him. They might be critical for a second and there they are on his bandwagon again.
 
As someone who is just about right in the middle, I can tell you kicky that in my 20 years+ of adult life it hasn't been much better. I started Democrat, then realized their policy of "think like we think or we will make you out to be the spawn of satan" didn't sit well with what I thought it meant to be liberal. They started as the open-minded ones and are now the most closed-minded of the political groups in America, and to me Obama is the pinnacle of that movement. I never did jump on the republican bandwagon, as even though I hold many of the conservative ideals in common, because there are too many nuts there that can't think beyond their over-thick foreheads. I have spent the last 4 election years picking the "least worst". Something has to change or we may begin to have more and more in common with ancient Rome.

What needs to change? The list is long, but part of it is I agree that entitlements have to go. We need a line-item veto. Eliminate the lobby entirely, along with campaign contributions larger than $1000 from any one group or individual. And term limits are a must. I would love to see the president's term reduced to one single term of 6 years and nothing more. That way he can spend the first 1.5 years kissing the a$$es of those who got him elected (as they do now) and the last 1.5 years making stupid decisions to try to get another from their party elected next (as they do now) but that gives them 3 years in between to actually do something.

I am moving from disillusioned to cynical faster than I thought I ever would.
 
what "entitlements" need to "go"? social security? medicare? what? and why should they go? and how should they go?

this is half genuine, half flippant btw
 
Sirkickyass said:
I'm done defending Obama until he does something real. None of this half-assed **** where he tries to pretend there's been a bipartisan compromise while he's getting his *** kicked.

The odds I'm just going to deface the presidential section of my ballot on Nov. 6, 2012 have risen significantly.

As someone who is unashamedly liberal I'm faced with the sad reality that I haven't been truly happy with any major legislation that has emerged from Congress in my entire adult life. 10 full years of disappointment and frustration is not what "hope and change" was supposed to be getting me.
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I guess that's one thing good about being older. At least I can be proud that I was around to see the Civil Rights Act passed in the 60's, though I guess technically that wasn't during my "adult life" since it was my parent's generation (and grandparents) that accomplished that.
 
and to a large degree, I hold Richard Nixon and his Watergate cronies responsible. I really wonder what party politics would be like today if that had never happened.

and don't feel bad, kicky, it could be worse - - at least your adult life didn't start with Ronald Reagan in the presidency...
 
TheMulletMutilator said:
Of course you wanted single payer. All Progressives did. Unfortunately for you this is a center right nation. Not an uber left one. As for Tea Partiers, let me tell you what they want. Keep the tax rates the same as we are already taxed too much, and cute government spending. Neither party is adult enough to do it but entitlements need to be reformed on a major basis. It won't happen though because that would mean both parties would lose votes. This is what happens when you are enslaved by entitlements. The minute they are threatened, people go up in arms. Look at France and their idea to raise the retirement age from 60 to 62. Rioting in the streets by college students etc. Other spending cuts, defense spending. Sorry, whether we like it or not there is probably going to be an attack at some point. Cut the defense budget. Pull our troops out of North Korea and Germany for that matter. We don't need to police the world. Close our bases around the world and I am sure we could start reducing our deficit. I guess I like the isolationist idea.
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Taxed too much? Ever check out the tax record for the past century? Come back and tell me if we're still "taxed too much."

I also got a good chuckle from the cuts that you suggested. If you think that anyone in this country (especially the tea party nutcakes) are going to agree to cuts to their medicare, SS, and defense spending, then I have a nice piece of real estate in Florida for you to buy.

Oh by the way, there's a new insurgency brewing in Iraq... And

"US war commander General David Petraeus expressed doubts Monday about the prospect of a victory in Afghanistan by 2014, admitting that a "resilient" Taliban"

https://www.google.com/hostednews/a...docId=CNG.22549d810f4577c4b54fcb7dcc5558f3.51

But that's ok. It's a lot easier to parade around in 18th century clothing talking about cuts to spending and freedom than to actually pay for two wars, endless spending for the oldies, and retarded tax cuts for rich people (for them to do what? Create jobs in India?).
 
The Thriller said:
Taxed too much? Ever check out the tax record for the past century? Come back and tell me if we're still "taxed too much."

I also got a good chuckle from the cuts that you suggested. If you think that anyone in this country (especially the tea party nutcakes) are going to agree to cuts to their medicare, SS, and defense spending, then I have a nice piece of real estate in Florida for you to buy.

Oh by the way, there's a new insurgency brewing in Iraq... And

"US war commander General David Petraeus expressed doubts Monday about the prospect of a victory in Afghanistan by 2014, admitting that a "resilient" Taliban"

https://www.google.com/hostednews/a...docId=CNG.22549d810f4577c4b54fcb7dcc5558f3.51

But that's ok. It's a lot easier to parade around in 18th century clothing talking about cuts to spending and freedom than to actually pay for two wars, endless spending for the oldies, and retarded tax cuts for rich people (for them to do what? Create jobs in India?).
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You mean the two wars we are supposed to be out of by now? I don't need to look at the tax statistics. I shouldn't have to be giving my money to the US government so they can study the effects of marijuana on chimps. Whether you like it or not, Medicare and Social Security need a massive overhaul. Any Tea Partier who disagrees isn't a real Tea Partier to begin with. You talk about paying for two wars. How are we going to pay for the single-payer system you wanted? How are we going to pay for the current watered down version of health care we ended up getting. Answer: we aren't. We will just continue to pass down the debt to our kids and grandchildren until China gets smart and stops buying our debt which is on the horizon. No worries though. By then we will all be Trillionaires because the dollar will be devalued to the point that you will need to bring a suitcase full of bills to buy a candy bar.
 
TheMulletMutilator said:
You mean the two wars we are supposed to be out of by now? I don't need to look at the tax statistics. I shouldn't have to be giving my money to the US government so they can study the effects of marijuana on chimps. Whether you like it or not, Medicare and Social Security need a massive overhaul. Any Tea Partier who disagrees isn't a real Tea Partier to begin with. You talk about paying for two wars. How are we going to pay for the single-payer system you wanted? How are we going to pay for the current watered down version of health care we ended up getting. Answer: we aren't. We will just continue to pass down the debt to our kids and grandchildren until China gets smart and stops buying our debt which is on the horizon. No worries though. By then we will all be Trillionaires because the dollar will be devalued to the point that you will need to bring a suitcase full of bills to buy a candy bar.
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I have never heard a Tea Bagger even come close to supporting cuts to the military and/or to SS/Medicare. In fact, quite the opposite.
 
How are we going to pay for the current watered down version of health care we ended up getting. Answer: we aren't.
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Dude, seriously, you need to stop. Between arguing about Keynesian economics and now this, you're really showing your ignorance. How is the health care going to be funded? Please, google this and you'll see. It actually deceases the deficit.
 
The Thriller said:
I have never heard a Tea Bagger even come close to supporting cuts to the military and/or to SS/Medicare. In fact, quite the opposite.
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You aren't listening to real Tea Parties then. Maybe posers who want their cake and to eat it as well. There is no way it is sustainable to kepp the tax rates the same and yet not bring spending in big time. There was pretty much a bipartisan effort to shoot down the deficit reduction committee's plan to try to get us back on track. Pretty much because it wasn't politically popular. Thank our politicians for trying to pass the problems on rather than solving them.
 
TheMulletMutilator said:
You aren't listening to real Tea Parties then. Maybe posers who want their cake and to eat it as well. There is no way it is sustainable to kepp the tax rates the same and yet not bring spending in big time. There was pretty much a bipartisan effort to shoot down the deficit reduction committee's plan to try to get us back on track. Pretty much because it wasn't politically popular. Thank our politicians for trying to pass the problems on rather than solving them.
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Interesting. Perhaps you could provide a link to a website?
 
The Thriller said:
Dude, seriously, you need to stop. Between arguing about Keynesian economics and now this, you're really showing your ignorance. How is the health care going to be funded? Please, google this and you'll see. It actually deceases the deficit.
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LOL, you are being ignorant in believing that is decreases the deficit. Go look at the CBO estimates done after it was passed and not the ones used before as a political argument.
 
TheMulletMutilator said:
Perhaps you could attend a Tea Party. Nope, too many radical racists there for you to actually go to.......
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sigh...

All I'm asking is for a website that possesses the collective beliefs of what the Tea Party stands for. Why should I attend one when I all I want to do is read online what they stand for. Are you not providing me with a website because there isn't one? Or because their beliefs aren't what you are suggesting?


All I'm asking is for a website that possesses the collective beliefs of what the Tea Party stands for. Meaning cuts to SS, Medicare, and defense spending.

Is that really that hard to ask?
 
The Thriller said:
sigh...

All I'm asking is for a website that possesses the collective beliefs of what the Tea Party stands for. Why should I attend one when I all I want to do is read online what they stand for. Are you not providing me with a website because there isn't one? Or because their beliefs aren't what you are suggesting?


All I'm asking is for a website that possesses the collective beliefs of what the Tea Party stands for. Meaning cuts to SS, Medicare, and defense spending.

Is that really that hard to ask?
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I am not providing you a website because not all Tea Partiers are the same. Nor are all Democrats or Republicans. You come up as a personal example of this being a Progressive Democrat(and I am not saying this to insult you). But being a Progressive Democrat you know that there are Blue Dog Democrats etc etc. Or for that matter Progressive Republicans and RINOs. If you need information about the Tea Party then I suggest you either google it or go to one. I have been to a couple. My point being that you should be self sufficient enough to find your own websites and draw your own conclusions. Counting myself as a Tea Partier(I don't believe in PC so you can call me a Tea Bagger if you like) I believe in what I have told you regarding many members I have talked with. I am sure you can find many websites that support and or refute my claims. I also think you can find some racist Tea Partiers. With any Party or organization you have your extremists.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I was so mad I had to leave work. I was completely unable to function after about 3:30 PM. I actually puked when I got home. I wish I was making any of this up. Admittedly I had a fever this morning, but I swear it was related to Obama. :)

All I've been able to think about between bouts of sleep is "this never would have happened if Hillary was President."
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Get over yourself Kick. This decision, one way or the other, is not going to change the economic landscape. Again, until the debt is removed from the system, things are not going to change...
 
Of course it would have happened under Hilliary and McCain. The political game is completely rigged. I want Delivery Boy to come in here again and tell us how Obama and Bush aren't similar at all. It gets funnier as time passes by.
 
TheMulletMutilator said:
I shouldn't have to be giving my money to the US government so they can study the effects of marijuana on chimps.
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Because you have the background necessary to properly understand and critique such studies? Or, are you saying we should stop all public science funding?
 
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